RE: forgot to mention AD HOMINEM ARGUMENT

DEAR DR. TED,

            "Argue in favor your limitations and, by God, they will be
yours!"    Again, Scarlett, do with my suggestions what you will.  Ignore
them if you REALLY think I am wrong.  But the vehemence of the replies
indicates that I have hit a nerve because, under all the mutual admiration
society back patting on this list, you suspect that I am right.

            So, dear friends, enjoy staying at your same level and NEVER let
anyone tell you that you have anything to learn.  

            What I will tell you is that, after 45 years of studying and
practicing photography, the more I learn the more I realize how much I have
left to learn.  If that is true for me.might it just possibly be true for
some of you?  

            And with that I won't go silently.I will do as I said.I will
compliment and encourage those who show something significant on this list
and simply delete the rest.  

                        CHEERS!

                                    BOB

 

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From: leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ted Grant
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:29 PM
To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: forgot to mention AD HOMINEM ARGUMENT

 

Bob maybe a tad bit of a wisdom offering!

 

Knock it off, you can't win because you are up against a family of friends
and folks of all kinds of abilities and years of experience in whatever
their careers were and are.

 

Best bet for you right about now is,  go quietly into the night silently!
Thank you.

Dr.ted

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of BOB KISS
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:54 AM
To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: forgot to mention AD HOMINEM ARGUMENT

 

DEAR LIST,

 

            I forgot to mention the 5 years I spent double majoring in

Photo Science and Photo Illustration at RIT.again, not that it matters

at all regarding the validity of my criticism.

 

                        BOB

 

 

 

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From: leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

Behalf Of BOB KISS

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:46 PM

To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: AD HOMINEM ARGUMENT

 

 

 

DEAR LIST,

 

            I guess I need to remind some on this list of the concept of

an "ad hominem" argument.  This means that many people will try to

disparage a statement, idea, or criticism because they can criticize the

personal attributes, competence, or talent of the person who said it.

The point is that the statement, idea, or criticism may, indeed, be

valid even if the person saying it can be easily put down.  If a stinky

drunk lying in a gutter makes a valid criticism of one of your photos,

does his failed life make his observation less valid?  "Frankly,

Scarlett, I don't give a damn" what you think of me or my photos.I

believe my criticism has merit and is certainly no less valid than the

visual insensitivity of those who criticized the Barnack photos.  I also

don't care who Barnack is.the photos on that site have more life in them

than a lot of what I have seen on this list.      

 

            From the last few e-mails I have read, I feel I have hit a

nerve and the reaction reminds me of Hamlet, "Me thinks the lady doth

protest too much!"  

 

            Now for those who presume to know anything about me, the

very concise summary on my past work on my very out of date website

doesn't even scratch the surface of my resume.  I have worked and

continue to work for international advertising agencies, major

international magazines, and international clients.  I shot my first

national magazine cover in 1972 and I have shot 8 covers of Interview

Magazine, 9 covers of Essence Magazine, and I continue to photograph

world famous musicians.  My work has appeared in, to name just a few,

Paris Vogue, German Vogue, British Vogue, Italian Men's Bazaar, etc.  I

have taught photography at ICP and guest lectured at FIT, NYU, and The

Art (is it Center or Institute? This was in the late 80s) in LA.  My

photos have appeared in half a dozen high profile books on beauty,

fashion, celebrities, and photography.  I have three years of training

in film making at NYU and 6 years of training in theater directing from

Masterworks Laboratory Theater.  

 

Because I got tired of the madness of the NYC fashion and advertising

industries I  moved to Barbados in 1993 and have concentrated on selling

my fine art photography since 1996.  My prints are in private and public

collections on three continents.

 

So, if you think you are going to impress me with one cover, or

publication in one or two books you are seriously mistaken.  What will

impress me is some HEART IN YOUR PHOTOS.  Some pulsating, breathing

soul!  

 

**********BUT THE POINT IS THAT NONE OF THIS MATTERS!  My criticism in

response to the visually insensitive comments regarding the images on

the Barnack site IS valid just because IT IS ACCURATE.not because of who

I am or what I have done.  If you don't like it, use the delete button

as I do with many of your photos and comments.  Fair is fair!

 

            While being fair, some of the photos of birds have a touch

of the eternal and divine in them.  The photos of those children in the

hospital will haunt and encourage me for the rest of my life.  You have

MANY excellent examples of good work on this list.  Why not ALL aspire

to reach THAT SAME LEVEL with your own chosen subjects or genre of work?

If you put the same energy into your work that you put into invective

against me, imagine what you could accomplish!

 

            Now, as suggested off list by one of the more enlightened

members of this list, I shall retire to looking and, in an effort to be

gracious, I will compliment those photos I think are excellent and

simply make no comment otherwise.

 

                        CHEERS!

 

                                    BOB

 

 

 

 Please check my website: http://www.bobkiss.com/

<http://www.bobkiss.com/>  

 

 

 

"Live as if you are going to die tomorrow.  Learn as if you are going to

live forever".  Mahatma Gandhi

 

 

 

 

 

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