Here's Terry's point of view from a small school--very important in our state! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Terry Tinich <tinicht@xxxxxxxxxx> Date: Apr 2, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Regents To: Kelly Deters <kellymdeters@xxxxxxxxx> I agree with your assessment of Phys Sci -- let me add my observations to the situation. We are a 3A school, having 2 science teachers. I am certified in Chem/Phys and the other in Bio. Kansas, with their stricter-than-average certification policy, does not allow someone to teach out of their area. (In some other states, smaller schools are allowed a small percentage of classes to be taught out-of-certification.) I have taught ES for 33 years in two other states but cannot teach it here because of "certification rules". In the same thought, a person certified just in ES cannot teach anything else. In a smaller school (probably 3A and below), unless a person can get certified in another area, a person with an ES certification could not teach anything else and thus would not be hirable, as they would not have another class to teach. Here in Pomona we teach Physical Science as a required (for graduation) class, primarily to give non-science students exposure to the physical sciences and, now, for the upcoming state testing. However, my freshman class is composed of the higher level students. I have approximately 60 labs during the year and go deeper into the subject than do the other PS classes. Yet, this more advanced class cannot be counted as a Regents class. I definitely agree, if you can name a class "correctly" you can get it past the regents requirements, despite what is taught (per your example of calling a class ES but teaching it thru PS principles) and how rigorous the course material is. This coming year we will be consolidating but still be a 3A school. Because of retirement we were able to hire an ES certified teacher., which was not an easy task. Otherwise, we would have had 2 bio-certified teachers and not be able to offer an ES class. Finally, I wish the State and Board of Regents can get together and make one set of standards for us to follow. -- Terry J. Tinich Chemistry/Physics Instructor Pomona High School Pomona, KS 66067