Re: web browsers and jfw

David Poehlman responds:

I can only talk about jaws on the jaws list and any other references are in 
passing.  I'd rather be able to use my applications than to be able to use 
the mouse and not be able to use any of my applications.  Jaws allows me to 
use my applications and interferes as little as possible with that activity 
but will interfere if it needs to in an effort to bring access to that 
application.

I had not seen that citrix access will cost any more with jaws 6 than jaws 6 
will cost.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sun Sparkle" <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: web browsers and jfw


Johnny, I will have to respectively disagree with you.
window eyes has a lot more you can do with it then JAWS has things JAWS can
not do, unlike window eyes where you can.
Can JAWS use the Mouse? that a sighted person uses?
No, but window eyes lets you do this!
I have been testing out Window eyes and well folks you are not going to
maybe like this but JAWS does Have a really competive Rival to JAWS.
this means you would have more functionallity with window eyes.
and by the way folks Windoweyes gives you sitrix mediaframe support for free
unlike FS where you will have to pay an extra 200 dollars just to get the
support.
so, i would say Gwmicro will most deffinitly give FS a run for it's money.
Try it out for yourselves!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: web browsers and jfw


> James and all,
>
> It seems as though the first screen reader to take advantage of the
mozilla
> family will be window eyes.  What you have to understand though is that
this
> is not all good.
>
> While ie has its problems, one of its strengths sadly is that many sites
are
> optimized for it especially highly secure sites ironically.  Also, before
> people start rushing off to dump ie and get other user agents, it is
> important to remember that you can make and keep your computer safe while
> running ie especially if you have windows xpsp2 and are lucky enough to be
> able to run that combination and keep your computer up to date including
> your anti virus software and your anti spyware software.  It is also
> important to remember that you cannot get rid of ie completely in windows
> because it uses ie all over its self and many things you do in windows and
> with microsoft software require ie so depending on what you are wanting to
> do, you may find that it is harder to just dump ie than you would like it
to
> be and for a while to come yet, jaws users will have the best possible
> experience on the web with ie.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "james hooper" <aradioman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: web browsers and jfw
>
>
> so do you think it will take another screen reader such as hal or window
> eyes too make thiss browser accessible?  and yes we truly have been
spoiled
> with jaws in terms of ie.  i was just hoping too find another  browser
> without the possible security and troubles akin too ie.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:43 AM
> Subject: Re: web browsers and jfw
>
>
> > Read about firefox and the other mozilla apps at:
> > http://www.mozilla.org
> > and the accessibility efforts for windows and other platforms at:
> > http://www.mozilla.org/access/
> >
> > Mozilla and firefox have excellent windows applications but since jaws
> > does
> > not implement msaa in the browser and it gets more complex than that, it
> > does not walk like ie does.  We've been spoiled by jaws with ie and I
> > agree
> > that good functionality needs to be there, but the sad fact is that a
lot
> > of
> > effort is going into making this family of applications accessible and
> > success will be achieved but not necessarily with jaws.
> >
> > As to the functionality of firefox, if you set it up right, it is kind
of
> > like using jaws without the virtual cursor meaning you can tab around
and
> > press buttons and check checkboxes and click links, but to read content,
> > you
> > need to use the jaws cursor.  It's much the same with netscape and sadly
> > with lynx too which by the way is one of the most accessible user agents
> > on
> > the planet and yes, it does have a windows app.
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "AB7HW Dick Lee Chrisman" <ab7hw@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: web browsers and jfw
> >
> >
> > My understanding is that firefox  is a Lenix based program.
> > I have not heard of any screen readers that function well in a Lenix
> > environment, have you?
> > I tried Firefox with JFW 5.00.844 and could not read anything with the
PC
> > cursor, only with the JFW cursor.
> > I finally removed Firefox and went back to IE(Internet Explorer)!
> > So it sounds good, but not JFW friendly!
> > Dick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james hooper" <aradioman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:10 AM
> > Subject: web browsers and jfw
> >
> >
> >> hi gang has anyone tried using the ulternative web browser  firefox i
> >> read
> >> about it on the kim commando  website seems this browser  is not as
prone
> >> too attacks and such like internet explorer.
> >>
> >>
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