Re: update or new version of jfw?

I think it has to do with the way some people's e-mail programs are 
configured. if you have it set so your e-mail is html rather than plane 
text it might do that. so everyone needs to try and change your e-mail 
programs so that they only display plane text. you can do that in OE in the 
options but I can't remember quite where that is because I haven't used it 
in years. In the latest version of Eudora, go to tools, and options and 
then go to styled text. then make sure the radio button for send plane text 
only is checked and then press ok. That way you'll be sure to send plane 
text so absolutely everyone can read your mail.


  At 09:25 PM 10/22/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>What's with the =20, in your message?
>Richard Justice
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:25 PM
>Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
>
>
> >
> > Three things.
> >
> > 1> there's no reason the bugs as they usually are cannot be fixed in a=20
> > 1> new
> > release along with adding some new features.
> > No unless you arre going to charge for a minor update as was done from =
> > jaws
> > 4.02 to 4.5 only major updates should be chargeable.  And if adding =
> > these
> > new features means that it the mean time we take months and months to =
> > get a
> > new relece that fix the bugs and provide more access. =20
> > 2> you said there used to be a company.  Why do you think it is gone?
> > Because the founder of the company dyde that is why! Not because of =
> > money or
> > anything else!
> >
> > 3>  You talk about adding support, but where is the money going to come=20
> > 3> from
> > to do this?=20
> > Oh come now arkenstone who is a lot smaller then fs and is now a part of =
> > fs
> > provided this level of support so does the other screen reader creater =
> > as
> > well as that company I speak of. =20
> > You spoak of jaws being ahead well it is.  But it support is behind and =
> > that
> > needs to be fixed.  Also like I said earlyer jaws is ahead because jaws =
> > has
> > this wonderful scriptting langwige witch my self I use offten.  So fs =
> > could
> > make use of every script out there and put it in to jaws as a minor =
> > update
> > when they come out and also fix the problems and add access.  What jaws =
> > is
> > about is more access to more programs.  When posible it is about better
> > access but better quite offten comes in time. Think about this if we =
> > waiting
> > for word access when all the bugs were worked out and everything is
> > accessible we would still not have word access.  Now I ask you another
> > question.  Where was the qc on jaws 5.10 quite offten the wrong scripts =
> > load
> > msn messenger 5.0 and windows messenger 4.7 do not work right out of the =
> > box
> > they have to be tweeked.  This was seen by the users as soon as it came =
> > out.
> > If there had been a public beta cycle it would have been cot for the =
> > final
> > version.  If they do not want to releace a full version tell they get =
> > things
> > irond out what would be the problem in releaceing a public alpha or beta
> > every few weeks with a message bug reports are being moniter how ever =
> > this
> > version is not supported use at your own risk but here is a start on =
> > what we
> > are doing  here is remoat access for thoughs of you that really need it. =
> >  If
> > your job will not allow you to install this type of software that is =
> > between
> > you and your job.  But at least it would be out there in some  form or
> > another. =20
> >  I'm not saying you are rong or that we should not have a better=20
> > product, but the money to do the things you suggest needs to be there =
> > and by
> >
> > and large in today's at market, it is not there.  We need support for=20
> > instance to a much wider array of tools than we have, but there is only=20
> > support for applications for which there is money provided.
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
> >
> >
> > Hi, well you can have working and fast.  There was a company that I will =
> > =3D
> > not name here that did just that.  Yes there were bugs but the bugs got =
> > =3D
> > fixed quick.  New features came along all the time and new releaces =
> > happened
> > offten fixing bubug that came up and adding features when needed.  As =
> > =3D you
> > said quite a lot of the time new bugs were interduced but we already =3D =
> > have
> > that problem as it is.  For example there were no problems with the type =
> > =3D
> > key function in jaws 5.0 there is now.  Lots of bugs were fixed.  But if =
> > a =3D
> > lot of these new features and bugs were realeced to the user as they =
> > were =3D
> > coded they would have been reported faster and fewer changes would have =
> > been
> > =3D maid in the mean time.  As for jaws 6.0 we are not ready for a major
> > upgraid =3D yet. To many things need to be done and fixed so updates to =
> > the
> > program about =3D 5 or six I would think need to come out in the mean =
> > time
> > corecting =3D problems. If you ask me 6 should come out about the time =
> > ms
> > releces the next =3D version of windows.  It should come out on the same =
> > day
> > as that version and they should be able to anounce support for that =
> > version.
> > In the mean time =3D they should be working on delivering the things =
> > they said
> > they were going to deliver and fix what needs fixing.  Also some one =
> > needs
> > to get on this =3D list and all the other lists for jaws and start =
> > reading the
> > mail that comes =3D in so that they can aid the users and add the =
> > remarks to
> > the data base.  This company I will not name here did just that and I my
> > self saw the things =3D I brought to the list being fixed and a lot of =
> > my own
> > ideas went in to the program.  Why? Because they heard there users.  We =
> > as
> > users need to =3D start making noise we need to tell them that we want =
> > to be
> > heard.  We need to =3D tell them that we will shell out our money but we =
> > want
> > fast and good servus =3D more bank for our buck.  We want a tol free =
> > number
> > for support.  The other company I speak of had it.  We want more updates
> > with more things fixed. =3D One every lets say 6 weeks.  Even it if is a =
> > new
> > script added on the jfw =3D lite web sight is tested by a tech and is =
> > desided
> > it works well to provide =3D access to a program then it should be a =
> > part of
> > jaws.  There should be a page =3D on the fs web sight for users to add =
> > there
> > scripts for evaluation. If they provide access to a program at all they
> > should be included with jaws.  =3D Now I know what you are going to say =
> > then
> > they are going to have to support =3D said scripts.  Yep that is right.  =
> > So
> > some one had better be looking at =3D thoughs scripts very cairfully.  =
> > Or if
> > they do not wish to support that script because they did not write it =
> > then
> > an email address to the person that =3D did write it should be provided. =
> > Every
> > support list for jaws every one of =3D them should be listed on the fs =
> > web
> > sight.  And articals from this list that answer users questions should =
> > be
> > added to the support bass. Now as for autherasation copy protection is a =
> > bad
> > idea always has been always will =3D be. The begest problem I have with =
> > jaws
> > is copy protection.  I in the course =3D of using my pc have lost keys =
> > have
> > had them damaged all kinds of things =3D open book uses a key number =
> > system
> > window eyes does conect out loud does jaws should also.  I do not like =
> > wpa I
> > am sure I am not going to like this =3D new
> > internet key system.   As you can see we would be living the best of all
> > worlds here we would have fast access using the free sorce system for
> > scripts updated as needed by fs.  We would have the bugs fixed in a =3D =
> > timely
> > manor.  We would have the support we deserv.  We would have a voice in =
> > =3D the
> > creation of the program we use every day.  David p. makes a good point =
> > =3D
> > when he says that jaws for now is a head of the rest.  It is. How long =
> > can
> > it stay there with out the voice of the user. Remember windows it self =
> > has =3D
> > this problem ms is not hearing the user. And this is why linix bassed
> > systems =3D are becoming more and more the rage.  I want to be heard I =
> > want my
> > voice to count I am sure you do also.  If it is not soon fs is going to =
> > find
> > that =3D it is no longer ahead.  Of course everyone but mean seems to be =
> > happy
> > with =3D the status quo here.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =3D =
> > Behalf
> > Of James
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:20 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
> >
> >
> > You can't fix what you don't know is wrong. As I said in another email =
> > =3D
> > just=3D20 posted, it may take until the next version to find a bug. IF =
> > they =3D
> > followed=3D20 your advice, we'd have a supremely buggy version of JFW =
> > 6.0 with
> > a less=3D20 than stable internet authorization, working anything but =
> > reliably
> > with=3D20 remote access, and freezing or just plain not cooperating on =
> > some of
> > the =3D
> >
> > more advanced java-based websites. Then you'll be complaining =
> > because=3D20
> > they're pushing things out to quickly, and not taking time to make =
> > sure=3D20
> > things work before they're released. Then, you'll be looking for another =
> > =3D
> >
> > screenreader, because this one's just plain unreliable. I say again, =3D
> > take=3D20 your pick. You can't have working, and fast. James, List Admin
> >
> > At 11:08 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
> > >Here here right now is what I say and as for your remark about=20
> > >talking=3D20 =3D3D about it here if we talk about it here maybe some of =
> > us=20
> > >note I have =3D
> >
> > >already =3D3D done
> > >so will speak to fs regularly and voice the fact that we want it right=20
> > >=3D
> > =3D3D
> > >now
> > >and maybe more betas will get posted and maybe updates will happen more =
> >
> > >often. =3D3D20
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
> > =3D3D=20
> > >=3D
> >
> > >Behalf Of James
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:40 PM
> > >To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
> > >
> > >
> > >But, since this isn't a Freedom Scientific list, debating about it=3D20 =
> >
> > >here=3D3D20 won't do much except make everyone angrier at the=20
> > >situation.=3D20 Truth is,=3D3D20 they're doing what they can with what =
> > they=20
> > >have. Every =3D
> > new=3D20
> > >version that=3D3D20 comes out has something new that some want, and =3D
> > leaves=3D20
> > >some others =3D3D wanting=3D3D20 something else. People wanted to be =
> > able =3D
> > to=3D20
> > >use JFW without an external=3D3D20 synthasizer, or for that matter, =3D
> > without=3D20
> > >any additional synthasizing=3D3D20 hardware, period. They finally got =
> > =3D
> > that=3D20
> > >in version 3.0. Then FS needed =3D3D to=3D3D20
> > >make it work with Windows Millennium. Most of that was done by 3.5, =3D
> > the=3D3D20
> > >rest by 4.0. The demand presented itself for Windows XP. 4.02 covered =
> > =3D
> > =3D3D
> > >that.=3D3D20
> > >The demand presented itself to work with some of today's more =3D
> > advanced=3D3D20
> > >website technology, which prompted 4.5. 4.51 was released when some =
> > =3D3D=20
> > >parts=3D3D20 of tat technology were upgraded slightly, including MSN=20
> > >Messenger. =3D
> > And=3D3D20
> > >that's just a small example.
> > >The absolute truth? If FS waited to release all of these features in =
> > =3D
> > one =3D3D
> > >
> > >major version, we'd still be sitting on version 4.0 waiting for=20
> > >things=3D20 =3D3D like=3D3D20 increased functionality with Windows XP. =
> > We=20
> > >have to keep =3D
> > up=3D20
> > >as best we =3D3D can=3D3D20
> > >with the mainstream market, because that's what this and other =3D
> > products=3D3D20
> > >deal with. Unfortunately, if you keep up, you don't do it right and =3D
> > you=3D3D20
> > >have problems. IF you don't keep up, you do it right and you have =3D3D =
> >
> > >different=3D3D20 problems. Window Eyes is a perfect example of this.=20
> > >Sure, they already =3D
> > =3D3D
> > >have=3D3D20
> > >remote access integrated into their software. But, is it done right? =
> > =3D
> > Not =3D3D
> > >if=3D3D20
> > >you go by some of the comments made on this list. Could it be done =
> > =3D3D=20
> > >better?=3D3D20 Most definitely. But, again, users of Window Eyes would =
> > be=20
> > >waiting for =3D
> > =3D3D
> > >it,=3D3D20
> > >just like users of JFW are. The real question is, which would you =3D3D =
> >
> > >prefer?=3D3D20 Right, or right now?
> > >
> > >James,
> > >List Admin
> > >
> > >At 09:30 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
> > > >But for someone else's money, get it right first. Whose money is=3D20 =
> >
> > > >worth=3D3D20 more?
> > > >
> > > >Bruce
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Bruce Toews
> > > >E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx
> > > >Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > >http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > >http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, jim grimsby wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well for my money get it out get it out fast and fix bugs as=3D20=20
> > > > > they=3D3D20 come =3D3D3D up please and thank you!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > > > > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > > > > On=3D3D20 =3D3D3D Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:20 PM
> > > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The reality is that FS is caught between a rock and a hard=20
> > > > > place=3D20 in=3D3D20 =3D3D3D terms=3D3D3D20 of PR when it comes to =
> > release=20
> > > > > dates. =3D
> > Release=3D20
> > > > > a =3D3D
> > >product=3D3D20
> > > > > too soon, and =3D3D3D it's=3D3D3D20
> > > > > bug-ridden, and everyone whines about how they should have=20
> > > > > wated.=3D20 =3D3D
> > >Wait =3D3D3D
> > > > > and=3D3D3D20
> > > > > try to deal with bugs, and everyone whines about how the other guy =
> >
> > > > > =3D
> >
> > > > > =3D3D
> > >got =3D3D3D
> > > > > it=3D3D3D20
> > > > > out sooner, why can't they? There's no winning.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > > > > --=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Bruce Toews
> > > > > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx Web=20
> > > > > Site=3D20 (including info on my weekly commentaries):=3D3D20 =3D
> > http://www.ogts.net=3D20
> > > > > =3D3D3D For the best oldies anywhere visit=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > > > http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Chip Orange wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Well, being a software developer myself, I know that release=3D20 =
> >
> > > > >> dates=3D3D20 are =3D3D3D
> > > > >
> > > > >> always a tug of war between when you want it ready and when =3D
> > it=3D3D20=3D20
> > > > >> is=3D3D3D20 really ready.  Different companies have =
> > differing=3D20=20
> > > > >> policies =3D3D
> > >as=3D3D20
> > > > >> to=3D3D3D20 exactly which wins in the struggle.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> =3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >> Chip
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > >>> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =3D3D3D
> > > > >
> > > > >>> On Behalf Of hank
> > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:06 PM
> > > > >>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
> > > > >>> =3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> interesting they told me they didn't have a release date. funky
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Troy Burnham" <tburnham@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:30 AM
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
> > > > >>> =3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> =3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>>> A friend of mine called FS the other day and was told that =
> > =3D3D
> > >a=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> new version,
> > > > >>>> probably 6.0, will be out around the end of the year =
> > I=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> think it was.  I
> > > > >>>> don't know what will be in it though or if that is =
> > even=3D3D20=3D20=20
> > > > >>>> accurate.=3D3D3D20 Troy
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Thursday 10/21/2004 01:17 PM, Jarrod Jicha said:
> > > > >>>>> does anyone know or has anyone heard anything about=3D20=20
> > > > >>>>> when=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> either an update,
> > > > >>>>> or a new version of jfw is coming out? was just =3D3D
> > >wondering,=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> also, does
> > > > >>>>> anyone either know, or have they heard what will be in =3D3D
> > >the=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >>> new version?
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