Re: update for jaws

Hi, Gary.  I understand about looking for the word update on the FS web site.  
Once you click on that, however, you then must find the link

Enhancements in JAWS 11.0.1461

I have clicked on this link various times.  Sometimes, it still leaves you with 
the page displaying what is new in jawxs11, and is not specific to the JAWS 
11.0.1461 update until you refresh the screen with Insert+Escape.

This is what might be confusing to a new user.

Also, you can't assume that the person who wrote the question actually 
installed jaws on the computer.  Many people get their computers from the 
Department of Rehabilitation with jaws already installed.

I thought that was one of the functions of this list: To answer questions when 
a user is unsure where or how to get the information.

Earlier, Adrian said that Dave told us where to go fishing, and how to get the 
information.  He didn't.  What he actually said was: "Go to the FS web site and 
read for yourself."

This tells a person which web site to go to, but not even the URL for the web 
site, let alone which links to click on when the links are layered, and you 
first must click on one link, then look for another link on the next page which 
loads.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary King 
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:33 AM
  Subject: Re: update for jaws


  Adrian,
  While it may be true that the Freedom Scientific web page is difficult to 
navigate for some folks, they won't ever learn how to navigate it if they don't 
try and keep trying.  In the case of JAWS updates, the information about the 
new features and enhancements is pretty easy to find.  If the Freedom 
Scientific web site is not bookmarked, just go to

  www.freedomscientific.com

  or

  www.hj.com

  (the old Henter-Joyce URL still works).

  Use Control+f to search for the word update.  If there is only one instance 
of the word update on the page, press Enter on the link, otherwise repeat the 
search with F3.  My JFW 11 then takes me directly to the Main Landmark on the 
Update page.  If yours doesn't, use semicolon to navigate to it.  You can also 
use semicolon or Shift+Semicolon to navigate to other landmarks on the page.  
You will see that these landmarks take you directly to the information you 
need.  Reading down from the Main Landmark, you can also use the links to take 
you to the enhancements in the latest release or to the downloads section of 
the page.

  If these techniques are not familiar, it may be helpful to visit the Training 
page on the Freedom Scientific site and take the time to go through the Surf's 
Up Training pages.  I'm not sure if landmarks are covered in Surf's Up or not 
since they are fairly new.

  Freedom Scientific has its faults, as we all know, but one thing I have 
always thought they do well is to provide good training for their products.  If 
you don't know how to perform a task with JAWS, chances are that there is a 
training module, podcast or JAWS Help topic that will teach you how to do it.

  Gary King
  w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Adrian Spratt 
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:55 AM
    Subject: RE: update for jaws


    I agree with you, Bill. The FS website isn't as simple to navigate as it 
ought to be, one reason I appreciated you're going to the trouble of saving 
many of us from replicating what you did.

    
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    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Bill White
    Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:40 AM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: update for jaws

    Hi, Adrian. I saw the first post. I've also gone to the Freedom Scientific 
site many times. Until recently, I couldn't get the link to work that was 
supposed to give the enhancements only for the current release. Once I figured 
out that I had to click the link, then sometimes to refresh the screen, I was 
OK. But I've had many people tell me that it was difficult to find this link. 
Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Adrian Spratt
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:15 PM
    Subject: RE: update for jaws

    Bill,

    I thought your earlier posting was thoughtful, but this is unfair to Dave. 
First, he did tell the lister how to fish: go to the website whose address we 
all know by heart to get the answer, which is easy to find there. Perhaps in 
this case it might have been wiser not to post at all, but he was doing exactly 
what a good teacher often will do. The second point is that Dave has been one 
of the most informative contributors to the list for some time. He's taught a 
lot of us to fish.

    
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    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Bill White
    Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:33 PM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: update for jaws

    Yeah, Dave, but you didn't teach anyone to fish. You only told them to go 
fishing. There's a big difference between the two. Until you learn that, you'll 
never teach anyone to fish. Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Dave Carlson
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 5:23 PM
    Subject: Re: update for jaws

    Nope. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and 
he feeds himself for life.

    Dave

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DJ
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:46
    Subject: RE: update for jaws

    Thank you Bill for going through the trouble of retrieving that 
information. Yes, the info is available on FS's site, but why some people find 
it necessary to reply to a request simply to say, "go get it yourself", is just 
plain rood! Why waste the time if they're not actually going to help? Maybe 
that response will be forthcoming when they ask for help. We'll see.

    DJ

    
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    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Bill White
    Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:24 PM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: update for jaws

    Enhancements in JAWS 11.0.1461 (June 2010) The following is a list of items 
addressed or added between the final JAWS 11.0.1447 release and the JAWS 
11.0.1461 posting. All enhancements since the initial public beta release are 
included in this release.

    JAWS Resolved an issue where letters were lost when using Typing Mode with 
a Focus braille display. Resolved a customer reported issue where JAWS was 
announcing large negative values in combo boxes. JAWS no longer duplicates 
information that is typed into form edit fields. Resolved issues and improved 
performance with the Convert Currency and MLB Scores lookup sources in Research 
It. Word and Outlook Addressed an issue reported by The Lighthouse of Houston 
related to the spell checker not working as expected when using a third party 
add-in with Word. When in a table in a Word document, the INSERT+TAB keystroke 
correctly announces the cell content along with column and row title. The 
default setting for graphics detection in all versions of Word and Outlook 2007 
or later is set to Labeled by default. This means that JAWS announces alt text 
(if available) and image dimensions. Resolved an issue where tutor messages 
were spoken before relevant information when using the ARROW Keys to read the 
next line or previous line in an Outlook 2010 e-mail message. This fix also 
resolves an issue where tutor messages were spoken with each press of an ARROW 
Key when moving through a message folder. JAWS no longer announces an unknown 
function call error when Outlook 2003 is configured to request a user name and 
password before launching. Lotus Notes Resolved two issues with Lotus Notes®. 
JAWS now announces labels for the date and time fields in a calendar entry. 
Also, the ALT+DOWN ARROW keystroke now opens the combo box for date and time 
fields. Resolved an issue with Lotus® Sametime® software where JAWS was not 
reading chat history when using the ARROW Keys. The Lotus Notes topic in the 
JAWS help file has been updated to include the latest application functionality 
and keystrokes.

    I hope this helps you, Laura.

    Have a wonderful day! Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: larelishumate@xxxxxxx
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:09 AM
    Subject: Re: update for jaws

    I wonder what kinds of updates were made? Laura Shumate

    In a message dated 6/30/2010 10:02:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Don't feel bad I didn't get any changes after 
updating to eleven dot zero dot one four six one either. But then I'm grateful 
that there also appear to be no new bugs (yet).

    Dave

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@xxxxxxxxx>
    To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 20:27
    Subject: RE: update for jaws

    Updated this morning from the website. Am having the same old Outlook 
issues as before.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Rose Combs
    Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:31 PM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: RE: update for jaws

    I just happened to check for updates yesterday evening as I try to do it 
once a week at least and got the update. I don't know what they updated, when I 
went to the website that page had not been updated.

    Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxx

    -----Original Message-----
    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Alex Midence
    Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:53 AM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: update for jaws

    This is true. I stumbled upon it while conducting some Jaws repairs last 
night. It is version 11.0.461. I have no idea how well it works or not since 
I've only had it going for about six hours and slept through most of that time, 
it being morning here it hot sunny old Texas.

    HOpe I don't find anything broken.

    Alex

    On 6/29/10, Dorothy Ingram-Gorban <dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
Post script is mainly for the English version so check details first dorothy

    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
    Sent: 29 June 2010 13:33
    To: org, jfw@freelists.
    Subject: update for jaws

    dear list I have just heard that a new update for Jaws 11 was released or 
announced yesterday, the information says it can either be downloaded from Jaws 
help,or an complete build intact from fs website, after what happened during 
the last update/patch I want to see how you have got on first thanks dorothy

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