Re: screen vs simple layout
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:39:29 -0800
Okay, whatever. And I'm not sure what you mean by "the old rule." I can
infer something from what you imply, or vice versa. What on earth is this
about? Never mind. I'm sure it's funny or something. Just not feeling too
well and maybe I'm not getting the joke.
All best.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
That's the ticket. Do the temporary setting with insert V, and if you
want to set it permanently for that site , insert, shift V.
I have no good examples for why I would want to use screen layout.
I was just playing on the old rule, "I imply, you infer."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
Jerry,
1. I think I'll have to experiment, Web site by Web site, to see how
changing this variable affects my usage and navigation. Because I don't
hear you saying what the rationale for it is, just something descriptive
about what it seems to do to the page layout. So, I'll try to figure it
out. Figure out its purpose, I mean. Not what it does, if you can see
the
distinction I'm trying to make.
2. Are you referring to imply/infer as a joke in some way? If so,
pleas
explain. I do hope you aren't under the mistaken impression that I've
confused or conflated the two words, because I haven't. Trust me.
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
The only answer would be if you want things to read as they are laid
out, perhaps horizontally. It seems to make a hash of things, as far as
I can tell. I imply, not infer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
Jerry,
I sort of figured that's what it meant; my question, in case it isn't
clear
how elementary it is, is ththis: When would such a change be helpful to
me?
I honestly don't know its purpose.
Please, don't infer from this question some sort of thing like that I'm
being sarcastic and saying "why the hell would anyone want to use this?"
People on this list sometimes see challenge where no challenge is meant,
and
start saying, Peace, brother, there's a million ways to do something in
Windows/Jaws or whatever. Honestly, that isn't where I'm coming from.
I
really want to know why a person might want to use this, okay?
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
This is what FS says. As for why you want screen layout, that is your
call.
The Document Presentation Mode combo box allows you to change how JAWS
structures HTML pages in the virtual buffer.
If you select "Simple Layout," links, form fields, buttons, and other
controls on the page are each displayed on a separate line. This is the
default layout,
and the behavior should be familiar
to users of JAWS 6.20 and earlier.
If you select "Screen Layout," HTML pages are rendered in the virtual
buffer in a way that is more similar to what a
sighted user sees on the screen. If links, form fields, buttons, or
other controls visually appear on the same line, they also appear on the
same line
in the virtual buffer. In addition, all items in a single table row are
displayed on the same line. Each cell in the table is separated by a
vertical bar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
Hi,
I figured it could be done permanently through the Configuration
Manager,
which thanks for confirming. But what considerations would dictate
making
this a permanent setting? In fact, what sort of specific Web site
difficulty would suggest doing this even temporarily? any ordinary
table?
Or a site whose pages were all full of tables? Or a general expectation
that, whenever you came upon a table, at any URL, you'd always want it
to
read this way?
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Lange" <trlange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
Hi,
Yes, this change can be set up on the fly through the verbosity dialog,
and,
if you want that change to be permanent, you do it through configuration
manager. To do that, from any Internet Explorer window, press insert+f6
to
bring up the IE configuration. Then, do an alt+s to bring up the "Set
Options" menu. Arrow down to HTML options and press Enter. This is a
multi-page dialog. Go into the Misc tab and it's the first combo box
you'll
see. Set it accordingly, click OK or just whack Enter and you're in
business.
Just to clarify a bit, to my knowledge, these presentation options have
nothing to do with tables in Word.
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
> Probably the Insert V on-the-fly Jaws menu you can call up while Web
> surfing, is what I'm assuming.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:00 AM
> Subject: RE: screen vs simple layout
>
>
> What menu are you guys talking about? Anything that makes table
> reading
> easier, especially in word, is right down my alley.
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:49 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
>
>
> Tom,
>
> thanks. That's great. Even though I've learned a keyboard command
> for
> approximating this effect while reading a table (I think it's shift
> insert
> num pad 5), being able to set a table to display to Jaws this way will
> be a
> nice addition to that. The hardest thing for me about interpreting a
> table
> with jaws is trying to memorize everything as I go so that I can
> imagine
> the
> table mentally as if I could still see it. This is a second tool for
> simplifying that sometimes very daunting process.
>
> Thanks again.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Lange" <trlange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: screen vs simple layout
>
>
> Hi,
> Let me see if I can explain this clearly. It has to do with the way
> that
> tables are presented to you on web pages.
>
> By default, JAWS 7 and 8 set the document presentation mode to simple
> layout. Suppose you have a table with 3 columns and 3 rows. As you use
> your
> down arrow to read down the page and encounter this table, each cell
> in
> the
> table would appear to be on a separate line. Thus each of the nine
> table
> cells would appear one after another in a vertical fashion, like this
>
> Table has 3 columns and 3 rows
> Model
> Description
> Price
> STD
> JAWS for Windows Standard Edition
> $995.00
> PRO
> JAWS for Windows Professional Edition
> $1185.00
> Table End
>
>
> . Get the picture?
>
> Now, when you set document presentation mode to screen layout.
> instead
> of
> encountering each cell as a separate line item, again using your down
> arrow,
> you'd find that each table row appears on its own line, and the
> complete
> row
> would be read to you, as follows:
>
> Table has 3 columns and 3 rows
> Model Description Price
> STD | JAWS for Windows Standard Edition | $995.00
> PRO | JAWS For Windows Professional Edition | $1185.00
> Table End
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tom
>
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