Re: screen reader superiority
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:13:27 -0500
Whoa! Just went to Parham's link. Those snapshots are exciting to
see. Wish FS did something similar. Reading the change log is like
watching the software grow in functionality right in front of you.
"changed user's guide to say our software does support such and such
ever since we added such and such." Entries seem to be made weekly if
not daily with anythinf from minor changes to the code to major
milestones. Something pretty big seems to happen in it like every
other week or so. Makes me wish i knew Python really well and c++
much better than I do now so I could contribute to making it better.
this screen reader looks like it's going to seriously give FS and GW
and System Access to go a real run for their money in the next year or
so now that display hooks are added. In the next two or three, they
might have a hard time convincing people to pay for what's available
for free. Good times are ahead, folks! I say this because either Fs
and GW Micro will be jolted out of their complacency (I think GW is
actually not as bad as FS in this department) and make the stuff we
pay for better or, we'll get a nice, free screen reader to use that
does as much as or more than Jaws or Window eyes. Really impressed
with NVDA and Open Office, for instance.
Alex M
On 8/8/10, Dhunthausen <dhunthausen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks Tom, I'll take a look.
>
> Drew
>
> Drew Hunthausen
> 714-296-7111
> Mailto: dhunthausen@xxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Lange" <trlange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: screen reader superiority
>
>
>> Hi Drew,
>> NVDA stands for Nonvisual Desktop Access. NVDA is a free, open-source
>> screen reader. If you want to read about it and try it out, go to:
>>
>> www.nvda-project.org
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dhunthausen" <dhunthausen@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 6:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: screen reader superiority
>>
>>
>>> What is NVDA? I don't know if I missed something. thanks
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> Drew Hunthausen
>>> 714-296-7111
>>> Mailto: dhunthausen@xxxxxxxxx
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: screen reader superiority
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would say that even if you can't afford another screen reader, you
>>>>should have the free NVDA screen reader on your system. The first thing
>>>>I do when my speech goes silent is to hit the NVDA hot key. If NVDA
>>>>starts speaking, I know it's a JAWS crash; if nothing happens, I know
>>>>it's more than likely a computer crash. NVDA works better than Narrator,
>>>>
>>>>which is included with Windows, and it lets you choose the speech
>>>>synthesizer you want to use if it is SAPI compliant. It has its own
>>>>built-in speech synthesizer, but you probably wouldn't want to use it.
>>>>It lets me finish what I'm doing before I either try to restart JAWS or
>>>>reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Gary King
>>>> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Kerri" <shalom75@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:58 PM
>>>> Subject: screen reader superiority
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, all. It is as has previously been mentioned, beneficial to all
>>>>> to have one other screen reader besides Jaws. The sighted folks use two
>>>>>
>>>>> or more graphics programs so why are we any different? It is best not
>>>>> to rely excusively on one.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Zdenek's questions about which screen reader is better, I just
>>>>> suggested he try them out for himself. No one screen reader meets
>>>>> everyone's needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Armond's petition idea, I expressed my opinion of the value of
>>>>> such
>>>>> petitions based on past performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> And as for your admonishment, I see now that your name is Gerald, not
>>>>> James;
>>>>> I thought for a minute there that you were the list moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary King
>>>>> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you guys take this discussion off list? If you want to keep
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bashing FS or discuss alternatives to JAWS, do it elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 3:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but thee real question is is windoweyes better than jaws? In which
>>>>>>> areas is it better in which areas is it worse?
>>>>>>> Zdenek
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zddenek,
>>>>>>>> The other major screen reader is Window-Eyes. If you monitor the
>>>>>>>> GW-Micro
>>>>>>>> list, you will see that users of this screen reader have problems
>>>>>>>> with it as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the free screen readers, if a user's needs are simple,
>>>>>>>> reading email,
>>>>>>>> surfing the net, etc., one of them will probably meet his needs.
>>>>>>>> Otherwise,
>>>>>>>> he will have to pay and pay again to keep up-to-date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the FBI, which you have mentioned more than once in your
>>>>>>>> messages,
>>>>>>>> now that they have your email address from reading the JAWS list,
>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>> probably tracked you down already and are closing in on you as you
>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>> this. Run!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary King
>>>>>>>> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:13 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can someone finally spelled out thee real alternatives for me,
>>>>>>>>> which of
>>>>>>>>> them are better than jaws please! I hear on this list that there
>>>>>>>>> are real
>>>>>>>>> alternatives but nothing specific as to what is bbetter than jaws
>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>> know an alternative superior to jaws just say it so all of us could
>>>>>>>>> benefit. For instance the authors of linux distribution vinux admit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the speech software for linux is still more limited tthan jaws is.
>>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>>> feel comfortable buying a mac, specially since FBI cqan get a hold
>>>>>>>>> of my
>>>>>>>>> info and as well as importantly the cost of mac acceeds the cost of
>>>>>>>>> upgrade of jaws many times. So any real superior alternatives, or
>>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>>> just a talk and being fed up with a corporation named freedom
>>>>>>>>> scientific?
>>>>>>>>> I wonder whether users of other screen readers don't have similar
>>>>>>>>> complains about their own software.
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks ofr a clear and specific answer to which software is
>>>>>>>>> superior
>>>>>>>>> to jaws.
>>>>>>>>> Zddenek
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: "org, jfw@freelists. " <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John it has obviously served you well in its time and may continue
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ,but
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is a wise manufacturer of any product who listens to its
>>>>>>>>>> customers,and
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> are the blind world wide, some have never been subsidised but used
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> savings, some on this list are in residential nursing homes on a
>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>> income, and still loyal to fs, but if fs fails to listen,now of
>>>>>>>>>> all times
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the concerns of its customer base it will fail in the same manner
>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>> famous products have done in the past, for the first time there
>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>> choices, and whether or not fs is wise I think will soon be
>>>>>>>>>> apparent.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards Dorothy
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "John R. Vaughn" <jrvaughn44@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:35 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I concur with your sentiments. I have been using Jaws for over
>>>>>>>>>> 20 years
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> and it kept me employed, enjoying life and now enjoying
>>>>>>>>>> retirement.
>>>>>>>>>> FS and Jaws are not the be all and end all, but they have to have
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>> that works for folks. If it is not working for you, move on.
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile,
>>>>>>>>>> this is a Jaws list to be a positive support to other jaws users.
>>>>>>>>>> Lets
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> this or I will move on.
>>>>>>>>>> John in sunny florida
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that's my understanding that eloquence is a history, but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>> scientific better check out with them. I did not mean to
>>>>>>>>>>> crriticize the
>>>>>>>>>>> other fellow just asking to be more thoughtful and careful with
>>>>>>>>>>> words.
>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>> seems to me that on this list there has become fashinable and
>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> rightly so to critisize jaws but noone suggests better product or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> am I
>>>>>>>>>>> missing something?
>>>>>>>>>>> Zdenek
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zdenek,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that the statement is almost meant to be inflammatory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You wrote: "I believe that they are leaving eloquence instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> focusing
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> using the realspeak voices..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify, did you mean that they are moving away from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> will instead push to use RealSpeak voices?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd not be happy with using only RealSpeak for my day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 07:48
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a pretty strong claim to make. In any rate I believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving eloquence instead of focusing on using the realspeak
>>>>>>>>>>>> voices
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can download for free, so perhaps that may explain the
>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zdenek
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Devona" <djasister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:31 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they fix it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Armond" <armond1980@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:19 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Freedom Scientific introduces bugs intentionally!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of you might find the following email exchange between a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine and Freedom Scientific's Jonathan Mosen shocking or,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrating. Basically, it describes a Unicode-related bug in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases of JAWS 11 which later turned out to be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intentional move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point of Freedom Scientific to get users to purchase a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-to-left language pack from a dealer--at a higher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost--though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is against the spirit of the Unicode feature. Here's my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message--note that he himself doesn't have a blog or venue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns and isn't interested in pursuing that line of action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various reasons, so I'm doing that on his behalf and on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who have been affected:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please forgive me for sending you this message. The following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bug is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious that I decided to notify you as I don't know to which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FreedomScientific employee it should be sent. This affects the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, each unicode symbol or character has a value in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hex. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance, the Persian or Arabic character "?" ("Alef") has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value: U+627.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now JAWS 11 interprets hex values in the form of the correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. That is, for instance, the letter "Alef" with the value of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U+627
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read is "Yaa hamzeh" which has the hex value of U+626. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange, but the bug indeed affects all unicode symbols
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modified in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eloq.sbl! This means that I can't use the Eloquence engine to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters in Persian and Arabic because what I type or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cursor points to will be read as something else by JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.0.1447.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you please inform JAWS developers about this bug? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downgrade to the previous JAWS 11 release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend's second message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as a follow-up to my previous message, this bug affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of NumPad5 in a slightly different way. That is, if NumPad5 is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once on a Unicode character which has a certain value in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eloq.sbl,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrectly reports that character in the form of the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unicode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minus 1. However, if NumPad5 is pressed twice on a Unicode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> character
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its phonetic representation, JAWS incorrectly reads it in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual Unicode value plus 1. Just thought I'd pass this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finding, too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan's reply:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Amir, the issue you've advised me of is actually a design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS. If you could please let me know your serial number,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your situation further and see if there's anything we can do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend's reply:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bit strange because the JAWS online help still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unicode symbols can be added for engines like Eloquence which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eloq.sbl is mentioned, too. At any rate, am I correct in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future it would be impossible to use Eloquence to read and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modified Unicode symbols and get correct feedback? May I ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision has been made?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I live in a country which is now under various sanctions, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit cards or PayPal to pay for any app including JAWS, so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in demo mode. The only exception to this is, as you know,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use apps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test. On the other hand, I heavily depend on JAWS for reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Persian letter by letter, using my modified Eloq.sbl file in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Eloquence, because Persian doesn't have a TTS engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be possible to kindly make changes to the status quo?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan's reply:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Amir, JAWS now requires a language processor to work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arabic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebrew correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This can be sourced from our Arabic distributor Medialog -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.medialog.ws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend's final reply:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the note regarding the Arabic distributor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FreedomScientific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products. However, following the URL which you provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display of a webpage with an error message, regardless of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, indicating that the page cannot be displayed. Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a download link for that language processor? As I badly need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor, your help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For your information, I'm pasting the error message which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both French and English below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Medialog Accessibilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 404 - Fichier ou répertoire introuvable. frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erreur de serveur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 404 - Fichier ou répertoire introuvable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> La ressource que vous recherchez a peut-être été supprimée,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renommée
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ou
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> est temporairement indisponible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 404 - Fichier ou répertoire introuvable. frame end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The page cannot be found frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The page cannot be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please try the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . Make sure that the Web site address displayed in the address
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bar of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser is spelled and formatted correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . If you reached this page by clicking a link, contact the Web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administrator to alert them that the link is incorrectly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> formatted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . Click the Back button to try another link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTTP Error 404 - File or directory not found.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Information Services (IIS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technical Information (for support personnel)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the words HTTP and 404.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for topics titled Web Site Setup, Common Administrative Tasks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Custom Error Messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The page cannot be found frame end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, do you think this intentionally-introduced bug, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-to-left languages, shouldn't be addressed in JAWS 12?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the first iterations of JAWS 11 didn't exhibit this bug,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later releases do. I sincerely hope Freedom Scientific address
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibly without thinking about the extra copies it might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who do not even need an Arabic or Hebrew TTS engine to read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-to-left languages. This is like getting Windows users in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries to purchase localized releases of Windows just to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read and write in their own native languages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, if you can remember, my friend Amir has been behind the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Symbian-oriented MobileSpace blog and also participates in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain accessibility-related products for the visually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armond
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JFW related links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> JFW related links:
>>>>>>>>>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
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>>>>> JFW List instructions:
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>>
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