Here is a copy of a returned mail emial like the ones we are discussing. Perhaps if James has the original wording he can better figure out where this is coming from. The source of this messaage is new to me, I have no idea who these people are. Judith This is the Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex program at host turing.freelists.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex program < jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>: mail forwarding loop for jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx