Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later

John,
Are you using a site license with a server that issues tokens to other JAWS clients on the network? I used this type of system where I used to work, but fortunately never had your problem. I think you are right about having only the one authorization if you are working in a site license environment. 

Gary King
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later
I'm telling you, I've never been authorized for more than one install. I have a 20 digit key and if I go through the on-line authorization process, it gives me an error *every* time unless I call ahead and then it lets me install exactly once. Right off hand I don't remember how to check but you can check on-line how many times you can use that20 digit key and I can use it only once. I have to have the key reauthorized every single time I add RAM, swap out a video card, or swap out a CD-ROM.
I'll bet you guys are the only blind folks at your place of employment and get all the installs to yourselves. I don't.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: removing authorization key, putting it back later



John,
He is not talking about license, but a number of auth code. What he meant, of course, was that you might lose all three auth code (if you change your hardware often). 


----- Original Message -----
From: John Heim <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:25:42 -0600
Subject: Re: removing authorization key,

putting it back later


That's not true.  I have never had more than

one.  Maybe your licensing is

different than mine.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: removing authorization key,

putting it back later



There is no reason you should be left

without at least one authorization,

except in a very unusual situation where you

would lose three in rapid

succession.



Bruce



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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, John Heim wrote:



Dude...  It's not about knowing the rules.

Even if you know the rules,

they're a pain.  Why should I have to

anticipate blowing out a CD-ROM

drive? Why should I have to *know* that I

have to anticipate blowing out

a CD-ROM drive?



Maybe I want to swap out my CD-ROM drive

every week.  And my video card

too.  And I want to add RAM and then take it

out.  I have to re-auth each

time? Why? I know *technically why.  I mean

why should that be required?


Get a donkle you say? Well, that alone is a

pain.  Now I have to carry a

donkle around with me?  Either that or I

have to have several donkles,

one for each computer I use? And I have to

pay $45 for each one? I have

to go through the red-tape to get my

employer to buy a donkle?


look, *NOTHING* else is like this.  Windows,

magma, symantec anti-virus,

cisco vpn, textpad, ultraedit, winzip...

Nothing else I own a license for

is anything like this.  People wouldn't put

ut with it if it was like

that.  Nobody would buy ultraedit if you had

to reauthorize every time you

added RAM.  Nobody would by  winzip if you

had to pay $45 for a donkle.


Alright, when my CD-ROM drive died, I

swapped it out.  What was I supposed

to do? Admittedly, I had some vague hope

that just swapping out the drive

wouldn't require re-auth.  Besides, I had

the 20 digit key.  Is that such a

crime? Why does *that* make this whole

fiasco my fault? It's absurd!


Look, I'm not an unsophisticated computer

user.  A little lazy maybe

because I didn't read the fine print on the

authorization.  But I'm no

different in that way than 99.999% of the

people on this planet.  Think

about what you're saying...  How many people

do you think would expect to

lose their authorization for a piece of

software if they swapped out a

defective CD-ROM drive? Come on! It's

absurd!


I think it was reasonable for me to think

the 7.1 authorization was like

that of the 5.4.  You can use the diskette 5

times.  It doesn't matter what

you do to your machine in the mean time.  I

expected it to work the same

way with 7.1 except instead of a diskette,

you had a record in a database

on a machine at FS headquarters.



From: "Rick Harmon"

<rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: removing authorization key,

putting it back later



I actually have done that.  But when my keys

get down to one I know to

call
 FS.  if that is on the weekend then I wait

till monday.  I understand

his
 gripe but still one needs to know the rules

of the product they are

using.



 Rick



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 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake

Sinnett"

 <frequency660@xxxxxxxxxxx
 To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:44 PM
 Subject: Re: removing authorization key,

putting it back later


 I can see where he's coming from...  I

suppose if you want something

 without
 this problem, you'll have to get a dongle,

for $45.


 From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Reply-To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Subject: Re: removing authorization key,

putting it back later

 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:28:08 -0600



 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce

Toews" <dogriver@xxxxxxxx

 To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:49 PM
 Subject: Re: removing authorization key,

putting it back later



For one thing, it's not a problem.  It's by

design.


 It's  a problem  for me! I don't care if

it's by design.


 My CD-ROM dies and instead of just being

able to swap it out, I have to

 call
 FS and get reauthorized? That's bogus.  Why

would I care if it's a bug

or
 by
 design



For a second thing,
if you're going to be using it, you'd darned

well better read up on

it.



 Who says?



 An authorization scheme that requires you

to study it is itself a

defect.
 I'm a professional programmer.  And I

consider it a failure on my part

 every
 time I have to explain how to use one of my

programs.  Sometimes it's

 impossible to have things simple enough

that they need no explanation.

But
 I
 haven't had to study the authorization

scheme for any other software

I've
 ever licensed.  I don't lose my Windows XP

authorization when i swap out

a
 CD-ROM drive.



Third, whether you or anyone else thinks

it's stupid is irrelevant,

this
is the way it is.  Ranting and stamping your

foot isn't going to change


 First of all, I'm not "ranting" nor am I

"stamping my foot".  I'm

stating
 my
 opinion just as you are stating yours.
 If you're questioning why I'm talking about

it on this list, well, it

came
 up.  Why are you talking about it?



 But more importantly, this is how things

get changed.  They certainly

won't
 change if nobody complains.  I told FS that

I found their authorization

 scheme unacceptable.  I did them a favor in

doing so.


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