Hi, Just a friendly note here. I do not remember where I heard it but this may help with the confusion about number keys. When referring to any number key it is good practice to put numpad in front of the number key if you are referring to a number key found on the number pad. Other wise it is assumed that you are talking about the number row. For example: Use insert + numpad 8 for the say line command. Use insert + 8 activates keyboard manager. This may help alleviate unnecessary emails and confusion. Just my two cents here. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Burnham Subject: Re: determining text color with Jaws Hmmm that didn't work for me. Is that just on the internet or is it supposed to work anywhere, and is it the 5 on the number pad or does it have to be the 5 on the number row? Troy