Re: new JAWS 9.0.515

Thanks. I'm on a couple of other lists, too, and haven't seen anyone mention 
that. Good. That confirms my impression that it's a problem with Jaws, not 
some mysterious quirk of my own system. I'm reporting it, and hope others 
do, too.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Scholes" <jamesscholes@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515


Aparrently, the crashing of word is a common thing with this new feature of
jaws, so you are not the only one. I haven't tried it myself, but I have
seen comments on a few list today about how word keeps crashing when someone
pastes something in to it using jaws 9.

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:25 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515

> Don,
>
> I, too, had read through the list of new features, and appreciated the
> potential usefulness of the new capability. But I didn't notice anything
> about it being the new default, for one thing. Secondly, I don't
> understand
> why choosing the "wrong" mode of copying should have crashed Word. In
> fact,
> isn't that one of the stated purposes   of this new capability? To copy a
> Web page in all its details into a document or an email? I could swear
> that
> was the point of it. In any case, I'll experiment, but if that's actually
> become the default, I'll regret that. I actually don't think of wanting to
> copy a Web page in that way, myself, so I don't really feel that
> advantaged
> by the change. But that's just me. Maybe a lot of people want to send each
> other Web pages with all their graphical features and links and stuff.
> That's fine. No complaint. I just wish my own routine hadn't suddenly
> become
> a hassle for me.
>
> Now, let me look below. You say there are three options now. do you happen
> to understand what the difference is between copy full web page and copy
> full web page with highlights? Just curious.
>
> Also, I'm hoping desperately that I can go into Configuration Manager and
> reset the default to virtual cursor copy. Can I? Where would I look for
> this. In HTML options, probably?
>
> Thanks. Wow, this is sort of a relief, anyway. Again, why should it be
> crashing Word if that's what it was supposed to be for? That puzzles me.
>
> I
>
> pagees jjuexperiement,,efatul1defaultdefatul!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>
>
> Hi again,
>
>    Yes, I did have some of those problems, particularly with Copying and
> Pasting from a web page into a Word document. Then, I looked at the
> "What's
> New" section on the FS site and found the solution.
>
> In JAWS 9.0, when you are in Internet Explorer, you have the option to
> Copy
> & Paste a web page exactly as it appears to a sighted person, including
> usable links & pictures, etc. or you can Copy & Paste the web page just as
> text, which is the way it was always Copied & Pasted in earlier versions
> of
> JAWS. To toggle this back & forth, open Internet Explorer & press Insert
> v,
> which now gives you a Tree View. Cursor down to Virtual Cursor Options
> open
> & cursor right. You will hear Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor or
> Select
> & Copy full content or Select & Copy full content using onscreen
> highlight;
> you can toggle among these 3 options by pressing the SpaceBar. Once you
> are
> on the option you want, Tab around to Execute & press the SpaceBar on the
> Execute button. Note: the option you want is Select and Copy from Virtual
> Cursor.
>
>
>
>    Hope this helps,
>
>
>
>    Don
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>
>
>> Don,
>>
>> yes. Let's say you're on a Web page. A normal Web page. The printer
>> friendly
>> version of a New York Times article at nytimes.com, for example. Nothing
>> unusual about the page itself.
>>
>> Now, sometimes I like to copy and paste such an article into an email, or
>> even into a Word document. I know other ways to send a URL or a Web page,
>> and I know how to save the page as a text file and then copy and paste
>> from
>> that new file, if I wish to. But never mind these options. I'm not
>> looking
>> for an alternative. I'm simply describing a function that doesn't work
>> correctly anymore.
>>
>> Okay. So I'm on the page. I press Control A to select all. I hear Jaws
>> report that so many characters have been selected, which is normal.
>> However,
>> and this may be a clue to anyone else who's partially sighted, as I am:
>> At
>> this point, the selected material always used to darken, which from
>> better-sighted days I remember was the visual clue to what material had
>> been
>> selected. Well, now the selected text doesn't change appearance. That
>> isn't
>> a complaint. It's a possible clue to eventual diagnosis by the pros.
>>
>> Okay. Then I press Control C. I hear Jaws report that I've copied the
>> material to the clipboard. Except for the lack of contrast change up to
>> that
>> point, it must sound as if everything's normal. However, interestingly,
>> it's
>> at this point, as I perform the copy keystroke, that the selected text
>> darkens. This is weird. Again, maybe a clue to a programmer type.
>>
>> Now, if I paste this material into an email I'm creating, it works,
>> although
>> with one odd glitch, which may be another clue about something: It
>> creates
>> so many blank lines above the first line of the text on the page that at
>> least the first screen of my new email is blank, and to see that the text
>> has been pasted, I have to arrow down quite a bit until I come to any of
>> it.
>>
>> Now, that's a bit odd, of course. But here's an even worse result. If I
>> paste the same thing into an open Word 2000 document,the Word doc remains
>> blank for a moment, and then Word crashes, providing a dialogue asking
>> whether I want to send a report, etc. Afterward, for several launches,
>> Word
>> asks questions about the normal.dot template, which I wasn't aware of
>> having
>> altered, or forbids me to exit Word without doing something to save a
>> version of that template, when I have no idea why it's giving me a hard
>> time. If I play tricks, can't even remember how I got out of this last
>> time,
>> it finally gives up and lets me exit in a normal way, but the whole
>> experience is crazy.
>>
>> And it is caused by my attempting to paste in a Web page I've copied to
>> clipboard, as I said. Something which has always been a perfectly normal
>> operation.
>>
>> I hope that's a good enough description. Has something like this happened
>> to
>> you? Or were you just curious?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>>
>>
>> Hi Yardbird,
>>
>>    You wrote, in part:
>>
>> "IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard
>> doesn't
>> work right" (end of quote)
>>
>> Could you please elaborate on this?
>>
>>    Don
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
>>
>>
>>> It seems some users aren't experiencing many, or any, inconveniences
>>> with
>>> this release, but over the couple of days I've had it installed, I'm
>>> discovering quite an inventory of problems, which I'm compiling a list
>>> of
>>> so
>>> that I can report as much as possible to FS at the same time. Here are
>>> some
>>> examples, and I'd be curious to know if anyone else is having the same
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard
>>> doesn't
>>> work right, and if I don't play games like pressing Control C twice
>>> instead
>>> of once (learned by experimenting), then trying to paste into an open
>>> Word
>>> document crashes Word.
>>>
>>> In edit fields like the Save As dialogue in Word and the hotkey
>>> assignment
>>> in properties for a program icon, Jaws doesn't echo typing or speak when
>>> I
>>> use Say Line. Oddly, it does speak the autocomplete as it fills in the
>>> path
>>> and filename edit field in Save As, which of course gets ahead of what
>>> I'm
>>> trying to do, but it won't allow me to read what has been auto filled in
>>> and
>>> edit it. Nor to edit what I type in myself after selecting and deleting
>>> that
>>> stuff. Useless.
>>>
>>> When beginning to type a message in the message area of a new Outlook
>>> Express message, Jaws speaks whatever it accidentally is focused on,
>>> which
>>> is sometimes the From line of the headers, sometimes the To line, and so
>>> forth. Very quirky, although more annoying than disabling, unlike the
>>> above
>>> examples.
>>>
>>> And here's some unwelcome news to share. Scripts for AdAware and Spyware
>>> Blaster aren't working at all. I've explored both with the Jaws cursor,
>>> but
>>> can't make much sense of either, and that's okay. I've exited this
>>> version
>>> and launched Jaws 8 so I can get things done today. Now to alt tab
>>> around
>>> the task bar and see if Lavasoft finally finished downloading the latest
>>> AdAware update. Now and then the update downloads as quickly as it
>>> always
>>> has, but more often, it creeps along or just sticks for minutes at a
>>> time.
>>> No, I'm not having download issues otherwise. It's Lavasoft, not me.
>>>
>>> Okay, that's it so far. Going to write to FS and pretend to myself I'm
>>> taking part in the public Beta testing. After the final release.
>>> Whatever...
>>> <shrug>
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