Re: new JAWS 9.0.515

  • From: "James Scholes" <jamesscholes@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:46:31 -0000

Aparrently, the crashing of word is a common thing with this new feature of jaws, so you are not the only one. I haven't tried it myself, but I have seen comments on a few list today about how word keeps crashing when someone pastes something in to it using jaws 9. 


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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:25 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515


Don,

I, too, had read through the list of new features, and appreciated the
potential usefulness of the new capability. But I didn't notice anything
about it being the new default, for one thing. Secondly, I don't understand why choosing the "wrong" mode of copying should have crashed Word. In fact, 
isn't that one of the stated purposes   of this new capability? To copy a
Web page in all its details into a document or an email? I could swear that 
was the point of it. In any case, I'll experiment, but if that's actually
become the default, I'll regret that. I actually don't think of wanting to
copy a Web page in that way, myself, so I don't really feel that advantaged 
by the change. But that's just me. Maybe a lot of people want to send each
other Web pages with all their graphical features and links and stuff.
That's fine. No complaint. I just wish my own routine hadn't suddenly become 
a hassle for me.

Now, let me look below. You say there are three options now. do you happen
to understand what the difference is between copy full web page and copy
full web page with highlights? Just curious.

Also, I'm hoping desperately that I can go into Configuration Manager and
reset the default to virtual cursor copy. Can I? Where would I look for
this. In HTML options, probably?

Thanks. Wow, this is sort of a relief, anyway. Again, why should it be
crashing Word if that's what it was supposed to be for? That puzzles me.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515


Hi again,

   Yes, I did have some of those problems, particularly with Copying and
Pasting from a web page into a Word document. Then, I looked at the "What's 
New" section on the FS site and found the solution.
In JAWS 9.0, when you are in Internet Explorer, you have the option to Copy 
& Paste a web page exactly as it appears to a sighted person, including
usable links & pictures, etc. or you can Copy & Paste the web page just as
text, which is the way it was always Copied & Pasted in earlier versions of JAWS. To toggle this back & forth, open Internet Explorer & press Insert v, which now gives you a Tree View. Cursor down to Virtual Cursor Options open & cursor right. You will hear Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor or Select & Copy full content or Select & Copy full content using onscreen highlight; you can toggle among these 3 options by pressing the SpaceBar. Once you are 
on the option you want, Tab around to Execute & press the SpaceBar on the
Execute button. Note: the option you want is Select and Copy from Virtual
Cursor.



   Hope this helps,



   Don
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515



Don,

yes. Let's say you're on a Web page. A normal Web page. The printer
friendly
version of a New York Times article at nytimes.com, for example. Nothing
unusual about the page itself.

Now, sometimes I like to copy and paste such an article into an email, or
even into a Word document. I know other ways to send a URL or a Web page,
and I know how to save the page as a text file and then copy and paste
from
that new file, if I wish to. But never mind these options. I'm not looking 
for an alternative. I'm simply describing a function that doesn't work
correctly anymore.

Okay. So I'm on the page. I press Control A to select all. I hear Jaws
report that so many characters have been selected, which is normal.
However,
and this may be a clue to anyone else who's partially sighted, as I am: At 
this point, the selected material always used to darken, which from
better-sighted days I remember was the visual clue to what material had
been
selected. Well, now the selected text doesn't change appearance. That
isn't
a complaint. It's a possible clue to eventual diagnosis by the pros.

Okay. Then I press Control C. I hear Jaws report that I've copied the
material to the clipboard. Except for the lack of contrast change up to
that
point, it must sound as if everything's normal. However, interestingly,
it's
at this point, as I perform the copy keystroke, that the selected text
darkens. This is weird. Again, maybe a clue to a programmer type.

Now, if I paste this material into an email I'm creating, it works,
although
with one odd glitch, which may be another clue about something: It creates 
so many blank lines above the first line of the text on the page that at
least the first screen of my new email is blank, and to see that the text
has been pasted, I have to arrow down quite a bit until I come to any of
it.

Now, that's a bit odd, of course. But here's an even worse result. If I
paste the same thing into an open Word 2000 document,the Word doc remains
blank for a moment, and then Word crashes, providing a dialogue asking
whether I want to send a report, etc. Afterward, for several launches,
Word
asks questions about the normal.dot template, which I wasn't aware of
having
altered, or forbids me to exit Word without doing something to save a
version of that template, when I have no idea why it's giving me a hard
time. If I play tricks, can't even remember how I got out of this last
time,
it finally gives up and lets me exit in a normal way, but the whole
experience is crazy.

And it is caused by my attempting to paste in a Web page I've copied to
clipboard, as I said. Something which has always been a perfectly normal
operation.

I hope that's a good enough description. Has something like this happened
to
you? Or were you just curious?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515


Hi Yardbird,

   You wrote, in part:
"IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard doesn't 
work right" (end of quote)

Could you please elaborate on this?

   Don
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: new JAWS 9.0.515
It seems some users aren't experiencing many, or any, inconveniences with 
this release, but over the couple of days I've had it installed, I'm
discovering quite an inventory of problems, which I'm compiling a list of 
so
that I can report as much as possible to FS at the same time. Here are
some
examples, and I'd be curious to know if anyone else is having the same
issues.
IE 7 select all (control A)on a Web page for copying to clipboard doesn't 
work right, and if I don't play games like pressing Control C twice
instead
of once (learned by experimenting), then trying to paste into an open
Word
document crashes Word.

In edit fields like the Save As dialogue in Word and the hotkey
assignment
in properties for a program icon, Jaws doesn't echo typing or speak when
I
use Say Line. Oddly, it does speak the autocomplete as it fills in the
path
and filename edit field in Save As, which of course gets ahead of what
I'm
trying to do, but it won't allow me to read what has been auto filled in
and
edit it. Nor to edit what I type in myself after selecting and deleting
that
stuff. Useless.

When beginning to type a message in the message area of a new Outlook
Express message, Jaws speaks whatever it accidentally is focused on,
which
is sometimes the From line of the headers, sometimes the To line, and so
forth. Very quirky, although more annoying than disabling, unlike the
above
examples.

And here's some unwelcome news to share. Scripts for AdAware and Spyware
Blaster aren't working at all. I've explored both with the Jaws cursor,
but
can't make much sense of either, and that's okay. I've exited this
version
and launched Jaws 8 so I can get things done today. Now to alt tab around 
the task bar and see if Lavasoft finally finished downloading the latest
AdAware update. Now and then the update downloads as quickly as it always 
has, but more often, it creeps along or just sticks for minutes at a
time.
No, I'm not having download issues otherwise. It's Lavasoft, not me.

Okay, that's it so far. Going to write to FS and pretend to myself I'm
taking part in the public Beta testing. After the final release.
Whatever...
<shrug>

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