Re: length of jaws training
- From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:07:55 -0400
Last winter I updated to jaws 5.1 and a series of CD's came with the
program. However, I agree with Daniel. It is easier to methodicly go
through the tapes pausing and rewinding when you need to get the knowledge
down. Good post Daniel, Judith
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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: length of jaws training
> Hi Jim,
>
> I just want to concur with Francis on the num pad topic. The num pad is
> absolutely an essential part of the Jaws keyboard commands. It's not
> optional, at all. Every key on it, in connection with the Insert key at
the
> bottom (0 if you've got the num pad turned on, of course) has a specific
> function for not just navigating through text, as you may be imagining,
but
> specifically for directing nearly every reading action of Jaws. You
operate
> your PC with Jaws using a combination of the myriad Windows key commands
> most people aren't aware of in conjunction with the Jaws commands on the
> num pad.
>
> A suggestion: I never took instruction in Jaws, or on computers, from a
> skilled teacher like Francis. But this is because I had years of
experience
> using a PC with more or less normal sight (now deteriorating continually
due
> to Retinitis Pigmentosa), plus when I got my first version of Jaws, it
came
> with an excellent package of audiotape tutorial cassettes. I think Eric
> Damery was the instructor. So I put a tape player on the desk beside my
> keyboard, and went through the tapes methodically, in order, pausing every
> time I was instructed to try out a particular Jaws action. It was a
really
> well structured tutorial. Yes, it took some hours of concentrated
> attention, as any skill worth learning does, but I got through it with
> ease, and it provided me a firm foundation as a beginning Jaws user, ready
> to learn more as I went, to ask questions on a supportive, informative
> mailing list forum like this one, and even, eventually, to be able to
offer
> helpful suggestions to others.
>
> Now, I think I've heard that a tutorial of some sort is currently provided
> in another way, either as .mp3 files on the Freedom Scientific site, or
> using that other reading system they're demonstrating or selling on the
> site. But I don't know the details. I hope someone here might be able to
> fill you in on that. There's nothing like a good tutorial. then it
becomes
> a matter of methodical skill acquisition, not random guesswork, which
isn't
> just efficient but more frustration than anyone ought to put himself
> through.
>
> Hope this helps. As Francis says, there aren't dumb questions at all,
most
> especially in this matter. As a professional educator and trainer,
Francis
> knows this truth more deeply than most of us, in fact. You're in good
> company.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Francis Daniels" <fdaniels@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: length of jaws training
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> What is that saying? "There are no dumb questions, only the ones you never
> ask." Something like that.
>
> JAWS uses the num pad as a vital way for people to get information about
> what is happening on the screen, what they just typed, to make sure they
did
> it correctly. Yes, you could drop some commands from the num pad, but it
> would cost you in extra keystrokes or forgetting what the prompt was.
>
> I said before that you cannot teach JAWS in a vacuum. It has to be taught
> within a context so that the commands make sense. In the same way, it
would
> be really hard to use Windows, or Windows programs, and not use the
> JAWS-specific keystrokes. For example, you are typing some text for a
cool
> short story you are writing. You want to listen to each word on a line,
to
> make sure you got it correct. You could press Control right arrow to move
> through the words, using both hands to do this. You could also press
Insert
> right arrow to do the same thing, using just your right hand. Both do the
> same thing. Which would make it easier?
>
> By the way, in the JAWS help, they list control right arrow as the way to
> move from word to word in Microsoft Word. They've dropped the Insert
right
> arrow function from the help description, even though the command works
and
> is more efficient. Go figure.
>
> Almost all the keystrokes for reading text and screen elements are in the
> num pad. Other listers will certainly add to this, but each application
> carries with it particulars for how JAWS reads stuff to you. But they all
> have the num pad in common, to make it easier for you to figure out what
is
> going on and to get going again.
>
> I don't know about Kurzweil, as I don't use it. Maybe someone else can
> handle that.
>
> Don't stop asking, Jim.
>
> Francis
>
>
>
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