Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, could someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: typing error

Hi Jim:

Wish it were so easy.  We envest a major part of our money in the screen 
reader after all.  I worked it out, and I've spent $2000 for JFW!
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, could 
someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: typing 
error


> Oh for gods sake... If you all hate and mistrust FS so much go to another
> product! The constant whining and bitching on this list is getting
> ridiculous.
>
>
>
> Thanks; Gene
>
> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, 
> could
> someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: 
> typing
> error
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> We're both right.  First, it should die a peaceful death, this topic. 
>> But
>> it isn't as if it never should have come up in the first place.  Let me
>> explain, and maybe you'll appreciate the logic.  If you doubt my
>> explanation
>> and think it's spurious, then ask a lawyer friend or anyone familiar with
>> the area of corporate responsibility and product liability.
>>
>> First, and in fact, this is the main point, at least one lister has
>> proclaimed that it's not Jaws-related, and claimed that Freedom 
>> Scientific
>> has no responsibility about it, because the software that crashes isn't
>> Jaws
>> itself, but Eloquence.  To them, this is the crucial distinction.
>>
>> If you wanted to, you could always buy and install a hardware synth of 
>> one
>> type or another.  This objection is exactly what helps to illustrate why
>> the
>> flaw is indeed a Jaws "issue."
>>
>> Let's move from screen readers to automobiles.  Think of Jaws as the car,
>> and eloquence as the transmission.  Just as Jaws incorporates Eloquence 
>> as
>> its speech engine, the hypothetical automobile in this example might use
>> for
>> its transmission a unit manufactured to its specifications by a third
>> party
>> outside the plant in which the majority of the car's other components are
>> built and assembled.
>>
>> Just as other voice synthesizers are available if one knows to look for
>> them, and wishes to pay for and install them, in this scenario also the
>> extremely savvy auto buyer, likely the type of person who's something of
>> an
>> expert hobbyist and likes to work on cars, knows that they can procure a
>> suitable transmission for this model from several sources as an
>> aftermarket
>> component, or even from a wrecking yard, swap out the ailing stock
>> transmission, and get the car up and running again.  If they're really
>> sophisticated, they might even enjoy explaining that their preferred
>> transmission sent power to that car's wheels more smoothly and
>> efficiently,
>> as people often speak of hardware synths.
>>
>> However, and this is a very big however in terms of responsibility:  As
>> sold
>> from the showroom floor, to the vast majority of customers, the
>> transmission
>> is an integral component of the car, not thought of by hardly anyone as a
>> user-replaceable third party component.  Most buyers have no idea that
>> most
>> of the car was manufactured in a plant in Tennessee, but the transmission
>> was manufactured by a company in Monterrey, Mexico and shipped to the
>> Tennessee plant on a production-driven schedule.
>>
>> If the tranny fails, the car won't move.  The average buyer of this car,
>> and
>> I don't mean idiots, but just regular people who need transportation, 
>> shop
>> around for a car, and then in good faith purchase this model and expect 
>> it
>> to take them to work, or school, or to the doctor's office, have no legal
>> or
>> ethical responsibility  to think about how they could buy another
>> transmission from an auto parts company in Illinois if they needed 
>> another
>> transmission.  They bought the car, and the transmission is something
>> integral without which the car won't run, and the auto manufacturer is
>> responsible for the car's overall functionality, including anything
>> related
>> to the transmission, even if they've mentioned it by name in their
>> advertising as the wonderful, smooth, powerful Eloquence transmission.
>> What
>> matters is that this is part of the car, not a superficial part like a
>> custom hubcap.  It's their responsibility.  by integrating it into the
>> car,
>> they've taken full responsibility for its functionality or failure.
>>
>> And so it is with Jaws and Eloquence.  When you buy a copy of Jaws, you
>> buy
>> it with the expectation that the synth will deliver the text to speech
>> output to your ears.  Simple as that.  Without the synth functioning, you
>> have no screen reader.  With it functioning but so imperfectly that it 
>> can
>> sabotage and bring down the screen reader,you still have a case of 
>> overall
>> product failure caused by this essential component.
>>
>> In other words, a failure of Eloquence absolutely is a Jaws issue, and 
>> the
>> fact that some users of Jaws are knowledgeable about alternative
>> synthesizers and financially willing to buy them, and skillful enough to
>> install them, is irrelevant to the discussion of responsibility and
>> agency.
>> For most of us, Eloquence is part of Jaws as it comes to us as a product,
>> a
>> product so expensive that some people might find it hard to believe that
>> some of its users felt so sanguine about its speech engine breaking down.
>> In other products, both the explicit and implied warranty is that the
>> product either will work out of the box, or it will be repaired.
>>
>> Now I'm perfectly ready to drop this.  But it's hard to watch people just
>> yell at each other to the point of irrationality, like an argument in a
>> bar.
>> This isn't a philosophical issue.  It's got legal and ethical factors 
>> that
>> are part of a very long tradition in the codes of commerce and liability.
>>
>> "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws,
>> could
>> someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw:
>> typing
>> error
>>
>>
>> this whole topic should be removed from the list actually. it's stupid 
>> and
>> serves no purpose.
>> This isn't even a JAWS problem.
>>
>>
>> At 08:34 PM 5/1/2005, you wrote:
>>>Ah..  So you guys know some guys who know some guys?  Okay.  I stand duly
>>>warned.  Praise the Lord and pass the canneloni...
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Anthony Vece" <ajvece@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 6:17 PM
>>>Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws,
>>>could
>>>someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw:
>>>typing
>>>error
>>>
>>>
>>>You Tell them.
>>>
>>>PAISAN!!!
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Eugene Baroni" <meangene124@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:39 AM
>>>Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws,
>>>could
>>>someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw:
>>>typing
>>>error
>>>
>>>
>>> >I feel that if anyone else writes that word they should put on the
>>> >removal
>>> > list because they apparently aren't mature enough and have no empathy
>>> > for
>>> > anyone else.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:47 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws,
>>> > could
>>> > someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw:
>>> > typing
>>> > error
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cute... did you get a good laugh?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks; Gene
>>> >
>>> > On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> >
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