Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, could someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: typing error

  • From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:37:03 -0400

Oh for gods sake... If you all hate and mistrust FS so much go to another 
product! The constant whining and bitching on this list is getting 
ridiculous.



Thanks; Gene

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, could 
someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: typing 
error


> Hi Chris,
> We're both right.  First, it should die a peaceful death, this topic.  But
> it isn't as if it never should have come up in the first place.  Let me
> explain, and maybe you'll appreciate the logic.  If you doubt my 
> explanation
> and think it's spurious, then ask a lawyer friend or anyone familiar with
> the area of corporate responsibility and product liability.
>
> First, and in fact, this is the main point, at least one lister has
> proclaimed that it's not Jaws-related, and claimed that Freedom Scientific
> has no responsibility about it, because the software that crashes isn't 
> Jaws
> itself, but Eloquence.  To them, this is the crucial distinction.
>
> If you wanted to, you could always buy and install a hardware synth of one
> type or another.  This objection is exactly what helps to illustrate why 
> the
> flaw is indeed a Jaws "issue."
>
> Let's move from screen readers to automobiles.  Think of Jaws as the car,
> and eloquence as the transmission.  Just as Jaws incorporates Eloquence as
> its speech engine, the hypothetical automobile in this example might use 
> for
> its transmission a unit manufactured to its specifications by a third 
> party
> outside the plant in which the majority of the car's other components are
> built and assembled.
>
> Just as other voice synthesizers are available if one knows to look for
> them, and wishes to pay for and install them, in this scenario also the
> extremely savvy auto buyer, likely the type of person who's something of 
> an
> expert hobbyist and likes to work on cars, knows that they can procure a
> suitable transmission for this model from several sources as an 
> aftermarket
> component, or even from a wrecking yard, swap out the ailing stock
> transmission, and get the car up and running again.  If they're really
> sophisticated, they might even enjoy explaining that their preferred
> transmission sent power to that car's wheels more smoothly and 
> efficiently,
> as people often speak of hardware synths.
>
> However, and this is a very big however in terms of responsibility:  As 
> sold
> from the showroom floor, to the vast majority of customers, the 
> transmission
> is an integral component of the car, not thought of by hardly anyone as a
> user-replaceable third party component.  Most buyers have no idea that 
> most
> of the car was manufactured in a plant in Tennessee, but the transmission
> was manufactured by a company in Monterrey, Mexico and shipped to the
> Tennessee plant on a production-driven schedule.
>
> If the tranny fails, the car won't move.  The average buyer of this car, 
> and
> I don't mean idiots, but just regular people who need transportation, shop
> around for a car, and then in good faith purchase this model and expect it
> to take them to work, or school, or to the doctor's office, have no legal 
> or
> ethical responsibility  to think about how they could buy another
> transmission from an auto parts company in Illinois if they needed another
> transmission.  They bought the car, and the transmission is something
> integral without which the car won't run, and the auto manufacturer is
> responsible for the car's overall functionality, including anything 
> related
> to the transmission, even if they've mentioned it by name in their
> advertising as the wonderful, smooth, powerful Eloquence transmission. 
> What
> matters is that this is part of the car, not a superficial part like a
> custom hubcap.  It's their responsibility.  by integrating it into the 
> car,
> they've taken full responsibility for its functionality or failure.
>
> And so it is with Jaws and Eloquence.  When you buy a copy of Jaws, you 
> buy
> it with the expectation that the synth will deliver the text to speech
> output to your ears.  Simple as that.  Without the synth functioning, you
> have no screen reader.  With it functioning but so imperfectly that it can
> sabotage and bring down the screen reader,you still have a case of overall
> product failure caused by this essential component.
>
> In other words, a failure of Eloquence absolutely is a Jaws issue, and the
> fact that some users of Jaws are knowledgeable about alternative
> synthesizers and financially willing to buy them, and skillful enough to
> install them, is irrelevant to the discussion of responsibility and 
> agency.
> For most of us, Eloquence is part of Jaws as it comes to us as a product, 
> a
> product so expensive that some people might find it hard to believe that
> some of its users felt so sanguine about its speech engine breaking down.
> In other products, both the explicit and implied warranty is that the
> product either will work out of the box, or it will be repaired.
>
> Now I'm perfectly ready to drop this.  But it's hard to watch people just
> yell at each other to the point of irrationality, like an argument in a 
> bar.
> This isn't a philosophical issue.  It's got legal and ethical factors that
> are part of a very long tradition in the codes of commerce and liability.
>
> "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, 
> could
> someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: 
> typing
> error
>
>
> this whole topic should be removed from the list actually. it's stupid and
> serves no purpose.
> This isn't even a JAWS problem.
>
>
> At 08:34 PM 5/1/2005, you wrote:
>>Ah..  So you guys know some guys who know some guys?  Okay.  I stand duly
>>warned.  Praise the Lord and pass the canneloni...
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Anthony Vece" <ajvece@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 6:17 PM
>>Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, 
>>could
>>someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: 
>>typing
>>error
>>
>>
>>You Tell them.
>>
>>PAISAN!!!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Eugene Baroni" <meangene124@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:39 AM
>>Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws, 
>>could
>>someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw: 
>>typing
>>error
>>
>>
>> >I feel that if anyone else writes that word they should put on the
>> >removal
>> > list because they apparently aren't mature enough and have no empathy
>> > for
>> > anyone else.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: jaws quits on the word c a e s u r e it knocks out jaws,
>> > could
>> > someone find out what makes certain words do this? Dave Hutchins Fw:
>> > typing
>> > error
>> >
>> >
>> > Cute... did you get a good laugh?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks; Gene
>> >
>> > On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
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