Thanks for the suggestion, Michael. It works. So does my method, which is left ring finger on the w, right thumb on alt and right pinky on insert key. Both work, but both require a moment's thought exactly for the reason you talk about-that they break the rules. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Arnowitt Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:02 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: jaws key + windows key + F4 Adrian, for the insert + alt + w, try putting your left thumb on the alt and your left index finger on the w. Brandon, I am a pianist. Maybe I could get a gig testing new Jaws keystrokes for playability. Seriously, it is sometimes better to abandon what you learned in touch typing as to which fingers cover which keys. The rules go out the window when you have some of these awkward combinations you have to do quickly and it's not a crime to use one's stronger fingers instead of your fourth and fifth fingers. Rotating your wrist, or moving your elbow out or in, to get a better angle can also help reduce some tightness for certain combinations. Michael -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx