Re: jaws 7.1 and form fields

Gary,

that's very thoughtful.  I'll keep your careful strategy in mind, if 
anything should go wrong that seems to be related to this.  Although, so far 
as I'm aware, the Web is the only environment where I've encountered forms 
fields needing input, or this problem of their labeling not being visible to 
Jaws in Forms Mode.  come to think of it, I don't think I need have switched 
to the default.jcf file before making the changes; that just shows how 
obediently I follow the instruction I got from Jaws sources in my earliest 
tutorials, without thinking through to the exceptions.

So, point well taken.  thanks for explaining.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 7.1 and form fields


Yardbird,

When I pointed out this setting, I didn't mention the Configuration Manager
or the Verbosity settings there.  I was referring to the Verbosity Menu
accessed with Insert+v.  I don't know if there is a downside to making this
setting universal or not, and this is why I try it out in the Verbosity Menu
first.  If it works well on a site I visit regularly, I can use
Shift+Insert+v to make the setting permanent for that Web site.  I also do
this with Flash since some sites will not give me any information with Flash
disabled universally in the Configuration Manager.

Gary King
w4wkz@xxxxxxxx

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 7.1 and form fields


> Gary,
>
> I went looking for this option to try out.  I use Jaws 7.0.  I put up the
> Configuration Manager.  I pulled down the options settings menu.  I opened
> the Verbosity item, as you specified.  But all I found there was the usual
> set of radio buttons for choosing beginner, intermediate or advanced, and
> then the three items with lists in which you can customize what will be
> spoken under that radio button setting.  That's all that's in the
> Verbosity
> item under Options Settings.
>
> However, I thought it sounded like something related to HTML processing,
> so
> I opened the menu again and tried that item.  Sure enough, on the Misc.
> tab,
> there it was, the setting you so helpfully suggested checking.  I did
> that,
> clicked OK, saved my default.jcf file  before exiting, and tried out a
> familiar site where I know that some labels and controls don't speak in
> the
> midst of a forms area if I'm in Forms Mode, but only if I get out of Forms
> Mode and look for them in Virtual Mode.  And this time I found those
> labels
> spoken, without leaving Forms Mode.  So this looks like a helpful thing.
> Why wouldn't this just be the default?  Do you have any idea what purpose
> could be served by *not* allowing Jaws to see some necessary labels while
> you're in Forms Mode?  I lack the programming background to intuit the
> rationale.
> Again, thanks for pointing out that setting.
> radisuggs
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws 7.1 and form fields
>
>
> John,
>
> If the Web site is designed well enough that you are able to determine
> which
> labels are associated with which fields while in Virtual Cursor Mode, try
> going into the Verbosity Menu and turning on Forms Mode Uses Virtual
> Labels.
> This should allow you to hear the same labels you would hear in Virtual
> Cursor Mode while you are tabbing through the form in Forms Mode.
>
> Gary King
> w4wkz@xxxxxxxx
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: John Ramsey
>  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:37 PM
>  Subject: RE: jaws 7.1 and form fields
>
>
>  Rob,
>
>  I don't have that problem, but I have a forms related problem.
> Occasionally, when I hit enter or the space bar to go into forms mode and
> fill out the first line of information, and then tab to the next field,
> JFW
> does not tell me what that field is. For instance, if I hit enter on first
> name and type in John and then tab to the next field, JFW doesn't say Last
> name.
>
>  If someone can cure that one I will greatly appreciate the help.
>
>  Take care,
>
>  John
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Rob Monitor
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:39 PM
>  To: jfw
>  Subject: jaws 7.1 and form fields
>
>
>
>  Hi, Does any one else have a problem like this? When I'm filling out some
> thing jfw7.1 says that I'm in the form line above the one I'm really in.
> So
> what I mean is say if I'm putting my user name and then tap down to put my
> pass word it says that I'm still in the user name line but really I'm in
> the
> pass word line... Now if any one understands this and has any ideas please
> let me know...
>
>      THANKS ROB
>
>
>
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