Re: jaws 6.1
- From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:44:31 -0400
I partially agree... arrogance is not a good thing in this business.
Gene
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From: "Cy" <cselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: jaws 6.1
> Gene,
> I agree with you about the complexity o an undertaking such as JAWS.
> I also was a COBOL and Assembler programmer for about 30 years. I
> retired about a decade ago so that tells you when I started.
> I was tasked with coding the telecommunications for a Burroughs computer
> in the early 70s. That was long before we had any vendor supplied
> software to depend on.
> I was also tasked with the job of coding the VSAM routines for the
> Burroughs as well as the program which kept track of file versions. You
> can test as many things as you can possible imagine, turn the product
> over to the testers and, by golly, on the day of implementation there
> will be some idiot who manages to come up with a configuration,
> situation or idea which has escaped even the wildest imagination of
> everyone.
> Also lots of folks need to realize that the complexity of the operating
> system of today's micro is every bit as sophisticated as the operating
> system of the might mainframes of a decade ago and it took a complete
> department of folks to keep the mainframe running.
> The fact that JAWS, Window-Eyes, HAL or other screen readers manage to
> get it correct the vast majority of the time is, in my opinion,
> astonishing.
> This feat has nothing to do with the attitude of Freedom Scientific, it
> is a reflection on the technical ability of the techies who do the grunt
> work.
> Freedom Scientific appears to be going the way of another computer
> Goliath, IBM and we all know what happened to them.
>
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> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:02 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1
>
>
> Again I may catch hell... but I don't think a lot of you have given any
> thought to the ungodly complicated affair writing a program like Jaws
> is. I
> am a COBOL and FORTRAN programmer, as well as doing some work in
> Assembler
> and C. I haven't seen the code for Jaws of course but I have a good idea
> of
> the complexities involved. Yes it's expensive and yes it should be as
> bug
> free as possible by the time we get it. But keep in mind that every
> computer
> system is different and that what works well on the ones at SF may not
> work
> so well on yours.
>
> Gene
>
>
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> From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1
>
>
>> Unfortunately, some people can't afford to switch screen readers. FS
>> knows this and is counting on it. At some point the balance will tip
>> and they won't be able to count on loyalty brought on by financial
>> necessity. I am lucky enough to have both products, and I prefer JAWS
>> because I'm used to the interface. But FS is making it very easy for
>> me to switch loyalties, and one of these days (though it hasn't
>> happened yet), I just might. I'm only one person, and I don't for a
>> second think my decision would affect FS in the least, so it's not a
>> threat, just a reality.
>>
>> Bruce
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>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 philwh@xxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> besides, I bought the last 12 accent sa that aicom
>>> had available before they closed their doors.
>>> I also grabbed that last 30 accnt pc cards available.
>>> I do use them with linux, but it sure would be nice if
>>> I could use them with jaws 5 and above.
>>> well, if the people at freedom can't solve
>>> my newest problem, I am throwing out jfw
>>> and getting windoweyes.
>>> phil
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:54:23PM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's an accent SA?
>>>> It is a hardware synthesizer that was created by aicom it is no
>>>> longer being maid but a lot of blind people are still using them
>>>> including me on my linux computer. Note before any one says well
>>>> scence it is no longer being maid why fix the problem the artic
>>>> synthesizers emulate a accent and artic is still making the spirit.
>>>> =20
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>>>> From: <philwh@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> fs really doesn't want to fix bugs as far as I can see.
>>>> I reported that since jfw 5.0, jfw hasn't supported
>>>> the accent sa properly. jfw does not
>>>> change the spell rate, nor does it indicate case with pitch change
>>>> as it did with earlier versions of jaws. When I contacted fs tech
>>>> support, they sent me a document that was supposed to fix the
>>>> problem, and of course, it didn't. when fs was again notified that
>>>> it doesn't work properly, absolute silence. I even offered to loan
>>>> fs an accent sa so they could fix the problem. no response.
>>>>
>>>> phil
>>>>
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