RE: jaws 6.1
- From: "Cy" <cselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:51:24 -0500
Gene,
I agree with you about the complexity o an undertaking such as JAWS.
I also was a COBOL and Assembler programmer for about 30 years. I
retired about a decade ago so that tells you when I started.
I was tasked with coding the telecommunications for a Burroughs computer
in the early 70s. That was long before we had any vendor supplied
software to depend on.
I was also tasked with the job of coding the VSAM routines for the
Burroughs as well as the program which kept track of file versions. You
can test as many things as you can possible imagine, turn the product
over to the testers and, by golly, on the day of implementation there
will be some idiot who manages to come up with a configuration,
situation or idea which has escaped even the wildest imagination of
everyone.
Also lots of folks need to realize that the complexity of the operating
system of today's micro is every bit as sophisticated as the operating
system of the might mainframes of a decade ago and it took a complete
department of folks to keep the mainframe running.
The fact that JAWS, Window-Eyes, HAL or other screen readers manage to
get it correct the vast majority of the time is, in my opinion,
astonishing.
This feat has nothing to do with the attitude of Freedom Scientific, it
is a reflection on the technical ability of the techies who do the grunt
work.
Freedom Scientific appears to be going the way of another computer
Goliath, IBM and we all know what happened to them.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:02 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws 6.1
Again I may catch hell... but I don't think a lot of you have given any
thought to the ungodly complicated affair writing a program like Jaws
is. I
am a COBOL and FORTRAN programmer, as well as doing some work in
Assembler
and C. I haven't seen the code for Jaws of course but I have a good idea
of
the complexities involved. Yes it's expensive and yes it should be as
bug
free as possible by the time we get it. But keep in mind that every
computer
system is different and that what works well on the ones at SF may not
work
so well on yours.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 6.1
> Unfortunately, some people can't afford to switch screen readers. FS
> knows this and is counting on it. At some point the balance will tip
> and they won't be able to count on loyalty brought on by financial
> necessity. I am lucky enough to have both products, and I prefer JAWS
> because I'm used to the interface. But FS is making it very easy for
> me to switch loyalties, and one of these days (though it hasn't
> happened yet), I just might. I'm only one person, and I don't for a
> second think my decision would affect FS in the least, so it's not a
> threat, just a reality.
>
> Bruce
>
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> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 philwh@xxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> besides, I bought the last 12 accent sa that aicom
>> had available before they closed their doors.
>> I also grabbed that last 30 accnt pc cards available.
>> I do use them with linux, but it sure would be nice if
>> I could use them with jaws 5 and above.
>> well, if the people at freedom can't solve
>> my newest problem, I am throwing out jfw
>> and getting windoweyes.
>> phil
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:54:23PM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What's an accent SA?
>>> It is a hardware synthesizer that was created by aicom it is no
>>> longer being maid but a lot of blind people are still using them
>>> including me on my linux computer. Note before any one says well
>>> scence it is no longer being maid why fix the problem the artic
>>> synthesizers emulate a accent and artic is still making the spirit.
>>> =20
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>>> From: <philwh@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws 6.1
>>>
>>>
>>> fs really doesn't want to fix bugs as far as I can see.
>>> I reported that since jfw 5.0, jfw hasn't supported
>>> the accent sa properly. jfw does not
>>> change the spell rate, nor does it indicate case with pitch change
>>> as it did with earlier versions of jaws. When I contacted fs tech
>>> support, they sent me a document that was supposed to fix the
>>> problem, and of course, it didn't. when fs was again notified that
>>> it doesn't work properly, absolute silence. I even offered to loan
>>> fs an accent sa so they could fix the problem. no response.
>>>
>>> phil
>>>
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