Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
- From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:56:00 +0100
Yep. I can see what you mean. More than likely, it's just not accurate
enough in tracking what's going on.
Another feature I like that was introduced into JAWS6, but which could
do with further improvement that would make it substantially better, is
the "Skim Reading" feature. I think, more often than not, that most
readers want to *skip* certain text repetitions, not just 'skim' them,
i.e., omit certain text strings from the reading, i.e., Web links that
one will not visit, etc., and not just based on sentence structure. (It
will be improved - I hear something about there being a links list for
it in JAWS6.1. I feel there's room for textual enhancement as well, as
I've tried to outline.) There might be an option to read first and last
sentences of a paragraph: at the moment you can read either first
sentence, or first line. The text labels feature for badly-named links
is also potentially useful, provided, of course, that one can find out
what the said link is supposed to actually do. It sounds like that with
the progress bar announcement, they were beaten by the deadline for
release of JAWS6 before they could fix it properly!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
Personally, I have no problem with this feature confusing or annoying
me,
although I respect the feelings of you and others who hate it. Fine.
But
my only question is this: When loading a Web page, or downloading
email,
for instance, the thing really seems to be kind of silly. I'll hear 1
percent, then six per cent, or something, then all of a sudden 100 per
cent.
this has nothing to do with how I might set it to announce progress at
this
or that interval. No. This isn't what I'm describing. What happens is
that it seems to start tracking progress, then lose focus or something,
and
then announce 100 per cent or, in the case of a Web page, the status
line
will say "done," sometimes. It simply doesn't seem to really work.
It's
this that I actually find annoying, not the chatter.
I don't wish to argue about the chattering. I just want to know if
anyone
recognizes this problem I'm talking about.
Thank you,
Daniel
----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
the jfw progress bar has been a long time coming considerring the
competition had it for a long time.
this feature is with out a doubt the biggest new feature in jfw 6
excluding
the ability to use remote desk top that cost extra.
so for most of us the progress bar is the best thing jfw has to offer in
way of new features in version 6.
for the love of me the feature is poorly implemented.
its designed to work automaticly, and in some places like windows update
i
actually like that.
most of the time though it drives me crazy with constant chatter.
so like most i turn it off.
the competition how ever does not have it work automaticly, for those
not
familiar with window eyes.
for a very good reason, suppose you actually want to do something like
multi tasking, wow what a novel idea.
can you imagen a blind user who actually wants to download 2 things
from 2
differant sites at the same time.
or a blind person using 2 differant programs that have the progress bar.
do blind folks like that really exist.
well yes they do freedom scientific.
this means the progress bar leavs you more confused than helped.
freedom scientific please give us a third manual option with a keystroke
assigned to it
so we can get feedback when we want feedback and only when we want it.
in fact thats the whole idea behing scripting, more power allows for
less
chatter.
so why a feature that does the opposite, giving to much feedback.
bottom line this message was spurred on by the fact another jfw user
wanted
to know if they can disable the chatter, the answer being yes and its
also
adjustable.
lets hope jfw6.1 fixes this glaring design flaw in what is a very good
feature with a poor implementation.
as it stands now just about every jaws user i know is turning that
sucker
off.
the first weekthey think its great, second week its turned off.
i have to admit i am some what surprised that they did not get some of
the
same feedback from their beta testers and fix this before shipping.
lets hope they get the message and fix this flaw.
lets hope a free 6.1 upgrade addresses it.
curious if any body on this list actually likes this current
implementation
of this feature
or would rather have a manual option they invoke when they want to
invoke
it.
i have been waiting over a year for jfw to add this feature, and now
that
it has it i am still waiting for them to get it right.
by the way i am asking for a manual option, its o k with me if jfw
provides
a 3 toggle option for those that like the automatic option
so do not think i am suggesting getting rid of the current automatic
feature, only adding manual for us that prefer that route.
bill
At 04:25 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>Hi list. Well, I took the plunge and installed jaws 6.0 today and it
went
>without problems. However, I have noticed that when loading a web page
or
>downloading email that jaws keeps on saying 1 percent up to 100 percent
at
>various intervals until everything is loaded. Is there a way to shut
this
>up or do I just get use to it being a new feature in the 6.0 product.
>
>
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