RE: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation

Actually, the progress bar may not be reporting incorrectly at all.
Many times over the years my wife and I have been downloading something
or other with a progress bar.  Often she described the progress as
starting  off slowly and then speeding  up dramatically, at some point
seeming  to jump to the end.  I haven't actually monitored the Jaws
progress bar with respect to the display, but would not be surprised if
jaws is just reporting what the system puts up on the screen.

Take care...
Dave
 Jaws

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:52 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation


Hi,
I said I didn't care.  I was expressing curiosity about something else. 
Toggle, don't toggle.  I don't care what you do.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation


What would be  the harm of some toggle or  something to shut up the
inaccurate progress bar?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation


> Personally, I have no problem with this feature confusing or annoying 
> me, although I respect the feelings of you and others who hate it.  
> Fine.  But my only question is this:  When loading a Web page, or 
> downloading email, for instance, the thing really seems to be kind of 
> silly.  I'll hear 1 percent, then six per cent, or something, then all

> of a sudden 100 per cent. this has nothing to do with how I might set 
> it to announce progress at this
> or that interval.  No.  This isn't what I'm describing.  What happens
is
> that it seems to start tracking progress, then lose focus or
something,
> and
> then announce 100 per cent or, in the case of a Web page, the status
line
> will say "done," sometimes.  It simply doesn't seem to really work.
It's
> this that I actually find annoying, not the chatter.
>
> I don't wish to argue about the chattering.  I just want to know if 
> anyone recognizes this problem I'm talking about.
>
> Thank you,
> Daniel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
>
>
> the jfw progress bar has been a long time coming considerring the 
> competition had it for a long time.
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> this feature is with out a doubt the biggest new feature in jfw 6 
> excluding the ability to use remote desk top that cost extra.
>
>
> so for most of us the progress bar is the best thing jfw has to offer 
> in way of new features in version 6.
>
> for the love of me the feature is poorly implemented.
>
> its designed to work automaticly, and in some places like windows 
> update i actually like that.
>
> most of the time though it drives me crazy with constant chatter.
>
> so like most i turn it off.
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> the competition how ever does not have it work automaticly, for those 
> not familiar with window eyes.
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> for a very good reason, suppose you actually want to do something like

> multi tasking, wow what a novel idea.
>
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> can you  imagen a blind user who actually wants to download 2 things 
> from 2 differant sites at the same time.
>
> or a blind person using 2 differant programs that have the progress 
> bar.
>
> do blind folks like that really exist.
>
> well yes they do freedom scientific.
>
>
> this means the progress bar leavs you more confused than helped.
>
>
> freedom scientific please give us a third manual option with a 
> keystroke assigned to it so we can get feedback when we want feedback 
> and only when we want it.
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> in fact thats the whole idea behing scripting, more power allows  for 
> less chatter.
>
> so why a feature that does the opposite, giving to much feedback.
>
>
> bottom line this message was spurred on by the fact another jfw user 
> wanted to know if they can disable the chatter, the answer being yes 
> and its also adjustable.
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> lets hope jfw6.1 fixes this glaring design flaw in what is a very good

> feature with a poor implementation.
>
> as it stands now just about every jaws user i know is turning that 
> sucker off. the first weekthey think its great, second week its turned

> off.
>
> i have  to admit i am some what surprised that they did not get some 
> of the same feedback from their beta testers and fix this before 
> shipping.
>
> lets hope they get the message and fix this flaw.
> lets hope a free 6.1 upgrade addresses it.
>
> curious if any body on this list actually likes this current 
> implementation of this feature
> or would rather have a manual option they invoke when they want to
invoke
> it.
> i have been waiting over a year for jfw to  add this feature, and now
that
> it has it i am still waiting for them to get it right.
>
> by the way i am asking for a manual option, its o k with me if jfw 
> provides a 3 toggle option for those that like the automatic option
>
> so do not think i am suggesting getting rid of the current automatic 
> feature, only adding manual for us that prefer that route.
>
>
> bill
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> At 04:25 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi list.  Well, I took the plunge and installed jaws 6.0 today and it 
>>went without problems.  However, I have noticed that when loading a 
>>web page or downloading email that jaws keeps on saying 1 percent up 
>>to 100 percent at various intervals until everything is loaded.  Is 
>>there a way to shut this up or do I just get use to it being a new 
>>feature in the 6.0 product.
>>
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