Well on that last note I would wrather have a new version that does more of what I need it to do. So if that means I have to put up with a few bugs tell the next maintance that is ok. For example this sitrix thing should have been out a long time ago. People need it and they need to the point that they can deal with a few problems involved. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 8:06 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: jaws 5.1 Well said. I only wish that the powers that be would read this and know that what you say is felt and echoed by the majority. I personally know of several people who vary much liked Jaws but because of many of the attitudes you have just covered, felt they had no recourse but to buy Window Eyes. One feels that while there are many things that he doesn't like about Window Eyes, at least tech support is willing to work with him and admit there are several problems that he has brought up that need to be worked on. I like Jaws and feel the competition keeps these two screen readers moving forward, however,that doesn't mean turning out products before they are ready just so it can be said a new version is out there. Kay Malmquist kaylm@xxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Toews" <coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: jaws 5.1 Here's what it comes down to. FS shouldn't be comparing themselves with mainstream software in terms of customer support. If they did, they'd fail miserably. Just about every piece of software I own, the company will send an e-mail to *my* e-mail box telling me that a new version is available, often branded with my name, even though it's just a form letter. But what FS should be doing is listening: What is the competition getting raves about? How often are the complaints to FS about just the opposite? What can we then do to not only catch up, but move ahead of the competition. Another thing FS needs to do is to take ownership of its problems. They're extremely good at saying, It's the web designer's fault, or it's this or that application's fault. But they need to have a strict policy in place which says, in effect Here's the problem, the onus is on *US* to fix it, whether that web or software designer even cares or not. Where possible, they should of course work with the designer, but where it's not possible, then it's FS's responsibility to do everything in its power to fix the problem instead of passing the buck, as they are all too often wont to do. In my opinion, the competition has the inferior product. But, and this is a big but, they demonstrate more of an attitude like the one I've outlined than FS does, and because of that, if FS doesn't recognize the wakeup call, if FS doesn't recognize that maintaining the satisfaction of existing users is every bit as important in the short term, more important in the long term, than attracting new customers, then the competition will surpass JAWS. I paid for JAWS out of my own pocket. I've paid for my SMA's, everything, out of my own pocket. I have an investment to protect. Far from slamming JAWS, I love the program, I believe in it, I actually care that a huge part of my savings has gone to its purchase, and I want what's best for it. End of rant. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx