pass key means if u are using another application that has the same hotkeys jaws does u can pass thru to use the hotkey anyway.insert + 3 to use this function dont know about kinises keyboard dewayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Joehl To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: getting used to the new version of JAWS I have two questions related to the keyboard layouts. First, what does it mean to pass a key through? I've always heard this but never knew what it meant. Second, do any of you know what the kinesis keyboard layout is? Having said all that, I really like having the ability to switch between keyboard layouts in JAWS. I've used laptops before, and I've also used the laptop layout here on my desktop PC and it works great. Jake ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Driesenga To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: getting used to the new version of JAWS Well, the main reason they got rid of the classic layout is because of key combinations such as alt i and alt o if you came across buttons or menu items that had those shortcuts. When in classica layout, you were forced to pass keys through, which actually takes longer to do, actually, because by the time you have four or five keystrokes, you could have had only one or two done. Actually, I think you shouldn't have too much trouble switching, actually. and pressing the capslock key twice to activate it is actually more of an advantage than it is a disadvantage--think of all the problems you would have if you accidentally hit the capslock key and didn't know it. And besides, it's actually becoming more and more of a better option even on regular desktop keyboards simply because when typing, it's far easier to reach for the capslock key than it is to fumble around for the keypad. and making the switch, as I do, between two different machines--one a desktop and the other a laptop--makes it much easier if you just use the laptop layout anyway. And besides, you don't lose the numpad functionality even with the laptop layout, so actually, I'd say just go ahead and make the switch. It probably won't take you only an hour, if that, to get used to having to tap the capslock key twice to activate and deactivate it anyway. really isn't that difficult, since that's really the only change you have to deal with. It could be much, much worse! Mark "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia To: JAWS users list Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: re: getting used to the new version of JAWS Hi: just thought I would put in my two cents here as well. I've had JAWS 9 installed on my computer since before Christmas, and admit i have only used it once or twice. I, too have to get used to it, and the thing that is turning me off is not the fact that I have to get used to a new configuration as in the way a dialogue such as the verbosity dialogue is set up, for me it's the fact thatFS got rid of the classic laptop layout. For me it just isn't practical to switch to JAWS 9 when I'm wanting speed and accuracy. Does anyone know why the change? there was no explanation. I know that they've had the regular laptop setting for some time now, but I just never swithed because classic was what I had become accustomed to. I've heard from others that the regular layout is better and that I will get used to it quickly but when you are a student and you're looking for speed it isn't always appropriate to start learning a whole new layout when you're trying to do your schoolwork as well. I don't know, just my thoughts. I would have loved to have a little more explanation as to why FS got rid of the classic laptop layout. If it were kept I know I would have been switched to JAWS 9 a long time ago. but that will be a summer project, I think. and the other thing Ihate about the regular laptop layout is that when you press the capslock key, because that is now your JAWS key you have to press it twice to activate writing in upper case letters, which doesn't make for a fluid transition for me personally. how I wish Ihad my desktop in these circumstances! Patricia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM