Re: getting jaws to come up talking.

that's fascinating. It's running, but it won't speak. This is definitely 
over my head. Sorry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: getting jaws to come up talking.


I know it's running from the control-alt-delete program list, either
by using another screen reader, or sighted assistance which says that
"jfw.exe" shows in the list. I can, even, hit insert-j, x, enter,
which exits the program, without speech. How do I know it exits? I
have an "exit" programs sound defined in windows.

Curtis Delzer
At 10:44 PM 7/27/2008, you wrote:
>ah, here's a new twist! So you're saying that you can tell that Jaws is
>loading, but it won't function? So you first have to exit the program, then
>launch it again, whereupon it speaks? How is it that you know it's running
>to begin with, if it isn't speaking? and if it's running, why won't it
>speak?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:36 PM
>Subject: Re: getting jaws to come up talking.
>
>
>Hmm, I thought that as a service meant that it was loaded from the
>registry somewhere. Anyway, the fact is, that it isn't talking and
>she must unload it, and then load it again for it to speak.
>Thanks for ideas. She's frustrated by it not speaking, and all those
>steps she must do  ... etc. :)
>
>Curtis Delzer
>
>At 04:37 PM 7/27/2008, you wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >P.S. I just looked in my startup group list where you said to look, and 
> >all
> >that's there is my Microtek scanner that I use with Open Book, running 
> >its
> >self-test. Now, I don't know if this contradicts your definition or
> >experience, but that scanner test runs *before* Jaws speaks, and also my
> >Desktop is fully up and visible before Jaws speaks, also. I'm partial,
> >obviously.
> >
> >Does this contradict anything in your definition? Or does it imply that,
> >all
> >the while, Jaws is indeed loading but is hesitating to announce that it's
> >ready until the scanner test has finished and the Desktop screen elements
> >are all in place? is fully on the screen?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >fininsyedsannaobbvioslyu.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: getting jaws to come up talking.
> >
> >
> >Hi all, when a programme runs as a service, it runs before Windows even
> >logs
> >you into your account should you have a log in dialogue box. This is why
> >JAWS and any other commercial screen reader can speak or braille from
> >within
> >the Windows log on dialogue box. This is not the case when a programme 
> >runs
> >from the startup group, as these are executed after Windows is loaded and
> >you're on the desktop. FYI, the startup group is the startup folder, 
> >found
> >under Start Menu, All Programmes, Startup. Hope this helps.
> >
> >--
> >Chris Hallsworth
> >
> >Derbyshire, UK
> >
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> >Klango
> >chrishallsworth
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:06 PM
> >Subject: Re: getting jaws to come up talking.
> >
> >
> > > Curtis,
> > >
> > > First, I'm surprised to hear that you ran the installation file and
> > > weren't
> > > presented with the repair and modify options when it found that Jaws 
> > > was
> > > already on your computer. I'm assuming you didn't uninstall Jaws 
> > > before
> > > trying this, of course! That is, as I think you know, the way to get 
> > > to
> > > the
> > > repair function for a couple of versions now. There's an explanation 
> > > of
> > > why
> > > it's not done through the old Start Menu method, but someone else here
> > > may
> > > remember the explanation. I've forgotten, myself.
> > >
> > > So that is one thing worth thinking about. Second, I thought that
> > > placing
> > > Jaws in the Startup Group, which is done by choosing that item from 
> > > the
> > > options on the main Jaws window (start Jaws automatically, or however
> > > it's
> > > worded, now) *did* mean that you were making Jaws run as a service. I
> > > thought that was synonymous with saying something is in the startup
> > > group.
> > >
> > > Maybe I'm wrong, in which case I'm sure someone will explain the
> > > distinction. But all of this sounds extremely frustrating and a little
> > > bit
> > > odd.
> > >
> > > I hope someone can offer something helpfully diagnostic.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:54 PM
> > > Subject: getting jaws to come up talking.
> > >
> > >
> > > My wife has a new computer, an AMD dual core 2.3Ghz with 2 gigs of
> > > ram. Jfw will not come up talking, no matter the start up setting. I
> > > re-installed, (looking for repair which did not exist for some
> > > reason), even running the downloaded installation without that option
> > > shown to me, so un-installed, and re-installed, keeping her settings
> > > for apps, etc. Still, the program, though it's loaded, will not come
> > > up talking. It is using the standard Eloquence that comes with it by
> > > default, so, any more ideas? If I am told how, I will set it up to
> > > run as a service, but need to know how to do that.
> > >
> > > Curtis Delzer
> > >
> > > --
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