Re: fs clipboard problem
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:07:57 -0800
You're welcome. As I said, Jaws won't perceive and report on the actual
appearance in certain ways, but that doesn't really matter, for the most
part. But as I said, elements like headers (and simply page numbers added
from the Insert menu, also) will appear on the screen so you can check them
rather than having to go into the headers screen to confirm that you've set
them. But for that, you'll need to use the Jaws cursor, so far as I
remember from the last time I checked headers in the print view. The
virtual cursor won't see headers, I don't think. Give it a try. It will
provide at least a little assurance that things are coming out as you want
them to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Korin Trytko" <gryffontko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
Hi Yardbird,
Thanks for that last bit. I like to know How my document will look when
it is printed out. It's a good thing to know. I don't always have someone
to check my work and the more I am able to figure out myself the better.
thanks again
Korin Trytko
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm an old Word user and I'm partially sighted, so I can confirm this. I
> hope others will profit from this advice. Even though the Normal View is
> best to use for Jaws to have the clearest view of the document most of the
> time, the Print View provides an understanding of how the hard copy will
> actually look. Although the difference can't be fully appreciated without
> sight, Jaws will report usefully on some things, such as headers, which
> appear in Print View, but are not displayed in Normal View.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Speck" <dspeck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>
>
> Actually, JAWS users can benefit from knowing if they are in the Print
> view
> or Normal view. Do this in both views and listen to the resulting
> information.
>
> Press Alt+Delete to hear the cursor's distance from the left and top
> margins.
> Press Jawskey+Delete to hear the current line and column.
>
> If the user is particular about formatting, it is very important even when
> the screen can not be seen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>
>
>> Well, that's irrelevant, here, which is why I couldn't have guessed it.
> The
>> print view is simply one of the alternatives on the View menu as to how
> the
>> document will be shown on the screen. It looks more or less the way the
> doc
>> will look when it's printed out. The sides darken and come in a little
>> so
>> you can see the document as if it were a sheet of printed paper, the page
>> numbers or headers you've set will show visually on the screen (the Jaws
>> cursor can find them, also) instead of remaining hidden as in "normal
> view,"
>> and some other things. It's a useful preview of how your document is
> going
>> to look when printed, pretty much useless and meaningless if you can't
>> see
>> it. The usual recommendation with Jaws is to just set the View menu to
> show
>> the "normal view," which I put in quotes because I don't really know what
>> they mean, except maybe "unenhanced."
>>
>> anyway, it doesn't make any difference in any other way, except that for
>> a
>> Jaws user it's better to work with the normal view, they say, You can
>> always set it to Print View if someone wants to see how it'll look
> printed,
>> but if no one's looking, it scarcely matters. The ultimate result,
> whether
>> on the computer or printed out, is completely unaffected by this
>> print/normal thing. That's just a display convenience.
>>
>> I hope maybe this is helpful. And I have no idea why this person's Jaws
> is
>> even saying "print," any more than I did in the first place. Jaws
>> doesn't
>> say "print" anytime I can think of. On the view menu, it says "pprint
>> view," which is what is sritten there. And when you issue the print
>> command, it jus says "print." But you can't be copying and pasting text
>> when you're in the midst of printing a document.
>>
>> Scratching head, going back to kitchen to eat dinner.
>>
>> From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>
>>
>> I think that refers to the print view, as opposed to the normal view. And
>> about that I know absolutely nothing beyond what I've just said. <GRIN>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
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>>
>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Yardbird wrote:
>>
>> > Why is Word saying "Print" at all in this scenario? You're copying and
>> > pasting text, not printing a document. Do I misunderstand what you are
>> > doing at times like this? Thanks for explaining.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Nicki Keck" <favorite.blend@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:03 PM
>> > Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>> >
>> >
>> > For me, it is Word. I will use FS clipboard to select, copy, and
>> > append
>> > the
>> > text I want to put in, then control-V. All works fine. then,
> sometimes,
>> > I
>> > will select another area, press controlC, word will pause, and then
>> > just
>> > say
>> > "print" and go back to the document without saying "copied." Yesterday
> I
>> > had to select again and press control C multiple times (with answering
> yes
>> > each time) for it to copy the new text. Now usually, it works just
> great,
>> > but sometimes, it gets a bit sluggish and flaky when I've had Word up
> for
>> > a
>> > while, something I have to do with my job. i just think it would be a
>> > nice
>> > thing to have a way of just clearing the clipboard without having to
>> > try
>> > to
>> > copy something else and answer yes.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:17 AM
>> > Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>> >
>> >
>> >> Sorry, but I don't think it's the FS clipboard that's messed up.
>> >>
>> >> One thing you might want to check is how your system is displaying
>> >> highlighted text. I don't know if that has anything to do with it,
>> >> but
>> >> it
>> >> might. Of course, you know how to select individual words, sentences,
>> >> etc., right?
>> >>
>> >> And depending where you are trying to use the clipboard, there are
>> >> clipboard settings in Word you might want to turn off. I can't
> remember
>> >> what they are right now, but the MS clipboard might be set up
> differently
>> >> on your computer. And I have no idea if it's Word you're working in
>> >> or
>> >> not.
>> >>
>> >> But again, I really don't think the FS clipboard is the problem here.
>> >>
>> >> Jean
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Sun Sparkle" <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:45 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> you know folks this is getting more and more anoying.
>> >>> the only way to even get the clipboard contents to do what i would
>> >>> wantis
>> >>> to do a select all before doing a control c lets just say that is
>> >>> screwed
>> >>> up in the sense cause what if you wanted to just select part of what
> you
>> >>> are selecting and the regular clipboard and the fs clipboard dont
> allow
>> >>> you to copy the text like that then what?
>> >>> just a question
>> >>> fs needs tofix there mess up on the fs clipboard.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Nicki Keck" <favorite.blend@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:36 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sometimes, it doesn't copy when I do this. sometimes, it needs to
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> done multiple times.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> Cc: <Jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:40 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Why would you need to clear it? Just do a normal cut or copy to the
>> >>>>> clipboard and a dialog pops up warning you that this will erase
> what's
>> >>>>> already there, if you've used windows+C. Answer yes to this and
> you're
>> >>>>> good to go.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> bruce
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Sun Sparkle wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> how do you clear what is on the FS clipboard, after pasteing what
> you
>> >>>>>> have either in a document, or email?
>> >>>>>> for the past 6 weeks i have had to unload JAWS to clear the FS
>> >>>>>> clipboard and find this very anoying!
>> >>>>>> so how do you fix this!
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