Re: forms
- From: Bruce Toews <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:39:08 -0500 (CDT)
Let me see if I can help here.
The plus key is used to turn *off* forms mode. Actually, what the plus key
is doing is putting you back in teh virtual buffer. To get into forms
mode, you hit enter on a form field. You would exit forms mode on one of
the following ways:
1. Hitting the plus key. Again, this puts you back into the virtual
buffer, which requires going out of forms mode.
2. Hitting enter on a submit button or in a dialog where there is a
default-action submission button.
3. Hitting spacebar on a form submission button.
I can't think of any other ways, short of exiting I.e., to exit forms
mode. That doesn't mean there aren't other ways, but these are at least
the main ones.
Hope this clears some things up for you.
Bruce
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Judith Bron wrote:
> Jean, Was the plus key used to turn on or off forms mode? It wasn't quite
> clear in your post. Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:50 PM
> Subject: Re: forms
>
>
>> BTW... When I was taught Jaws I was taught to use the Plus key on the
>> numeric key pad in num lock off mode to shut off the forms mode.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: forms
>>
>>
>>> I'm just curious. Not "intense," whatever you mean by that. If you can
>>> put
>>> that differently, I'll be interested to understand your perception of me
>>> in
>>> this regard. But I don't get what you mean by "intense," here. In
> fact,
>>> I
>>> generally don't get what people mean to say when they use this
> particular
>>> slangexpression, except by inference.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess you get drawn in because you are very intense about all of this.
>>> I
>>> just use jaws as a tool and save my intensity for other stuff.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay, fine. I learned from the same tapes, and I simply don't remember
>>> that
>>>> at all. But I don't feel particularly deprived of a vital option by
> not
>>>> knowing about it, as I've been perfectly satisfied with pressing Enter
> to
>>>> turn forms mode on, and leaving it either by completing a form and
>>> clicking
>>>> on the Send button, or pressing the virtual cursor key in order to
> return
>>> to
>>>> normal operation if I feel like it. I'm sure it's fine, one way or the
>>>> other. How do I get drawn into these things, I ask myself. Oh, well.
>>>> th n important
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel, The way I learned about forms mode from the tutorial tapes when
> I
>>>> first trained on Jaws pressing enter turns forms mode on and if you
> press
>>>> enter while in forms mode you turn it off. Very simple, no?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No, Judith. Pressing Enter turns *on* forms mode when you're in an
>>>>> area
>>>>> with input field. It doesn't turn it *off,* so far as I've ever
> known.
>>> I
>>>>> meant, when you press enter on a control that terminates your forms
>>>> session
>>>>> (like the button that may say Send, for instance), that turns it off.
>>> But
>>>>> it's not simply about pressing enter. See what I'm saying?
>>>>>
>>>>> Whew.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pressing the enter button turns off forms mode. The reason I was
>>>> wondering
>>>>> was that I was having a difficult time going from one edit field to
>>>> another
>>>>> on a particular form and was so messed up that I didn't know where I
>>> was.
>>>>> Now that I know of insert f1 I wont have to wonder anymore. Judith
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 3:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> But Judith, once Jaws says you're in forms mode, you're in forms
>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>> Until you do one of the things that turns it off! what's the
>>>>>> problem?
>>>> I
>>>>>> have a funny feeling that you think that using the tab key may turn
>>>>>> it
>>>> off
>>>>>> or something? it doesn't. Was that the reason for wondering in
> the
>>>> first
>>>>>> place?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> jaw
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:50 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not when you are tabbing in a larger form and just want to go from
>>>>>> one
>>>>> edit
>>>>>> field to the other.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 12:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To which I add, if Jaws doesn't *say* "forms mode," then you're
> not
>>> in
>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>> mode, isn't that so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "David Weddle" <ddweddle@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:34 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: forms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As someone mentioned earlier today, and I don't mean to come
> across
>>>>>>> cocky or snooty or anything, sometimes the easiest way to find
> out
>>>>>>> something like that is to try it; if you can't enter stuff,
> you're
>>> not
>>>>>>> in Forms Mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care...
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Judith Bron
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you know if you are still in forms mode? Are there any
>>>>>>> signs
>>>> or
>>>>>>> commands you can hit to find out this information?
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:28 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: forms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know, for my money it's easier to just pop in and out of
>>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>> mode when I need to. It doesn't bother me especially, but it
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> others, and your solution may well benefit some of those
> others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Chris Jenkins wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Bruce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you tried turning on forms mode use virtual labels?
>>>>>>>>> I have found that doing this can sometimes make a major
>>> difference
>>>>>>>>> in getting form fields to read properly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Bruce Toews
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: forms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. On a radio button, combo box or check box, hitting space
>>> just
>>>>>>> selects
>>>>>>>>> or deselects without puttin you into forms mode. I don't
>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>> hitting space on an edit field will put you into forms mode
>>>> either,
>>>>>>>>> but I'm not positive on this. Nope, I lie. In an edit field,
>>>> hitting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> space will put you into forms mode. As always, the best way
> to
>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> something like this out is just to try it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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