Re: completely uninstalling jaws

yeah, keep the kudos to a dull roar please?

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chevelle" <chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: completely uninstalling jaws


Hi Will, I just want to say thanks for all the information that you alway
post. Unlike some people who a lot of times leave one line answers. I really
like all the information that you give. I save your posts so I can refer to
it when need be. I like to learn as much as I can. Keep those informative
posts coming!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: completely uninstalling jaws


> Hi;
>
> I think it's probably the authorisation key that you are thinking of.  The
> authorisation key is located in the jfw.cps folder in the root of drive
> c:.
> The key is the file named jfw.cps within this folder.  The folder, and
> presumably the file, have both the hidden and system file attributes set,
> so
> you will have to select to view system files from within the folder
> options
> multi page dialog.
>
> If someone's removed the authorisation key using hjauth, and uninstalled
> JAWS using the uninstall scripts for InstallShield and they have problems
> reinstalling, then it would make me suspicious of a silent failiure in one
> of the uninstallation routines.  By a silent failiure, I mean that the
> uninstaller has encountered a problem uninstalling something and not told
> the user about it.  The uninstaller may have tried to correct the problem,
> it may not have, it may have crashed out with an unhandled exception, or
> whatever, it's up to the programmer's, in this case those for
> InstallShield,
> as to how they handle these situations.  Under normal operations
> everything
> should install and uninstall fine, however, if a system develops "system
> rot", which it will do over time, then you can notice problems both with
> installation and uninstallation of software, as well as operation of
> software.  Some registry keys and values can go awry, files on the hard
> drive can be corrupted, and settings go wrong.  This can mean that an
> uninstaller that works fine under normal conditions will develop proglems
> under systems with "system rot", likely leaving components installed that
> it
> otherwise would have removed.  Software developers can't do anything about
> this really, as the problems depend on what has gone rotten within the
> system, something that varies with each instance of "system rot".  So, if
> you notice uninstallers not removing components, including registry
> values,
> which you think they should have, uninstallers developing problems or
> hangs
> during uninstallation, or abnormal execution of the software, then it
> might
> be time to consider formatting the hard drive and starting again.
>
> These are exceptional circumstances, but are circumstances that occur from
> time to time, and all software packages can be affected, not just JAWS.
> If
> you frequently install and uninstall software, not necessarily the same
> package as different packages are likely to cause it just as much, then
> this
> can increase the risk of "system rot".  Equally, software that has had a
> modified installation routine, such as pirated and illegal software, will
> significantly increase the risk of "system rot" and things not working
> properly.
>
> Will Pearson
>
> Microsoft MVP (Visual Developer/VC++)
> For more information about the MVP program, go to:
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> ------ Original Message ----- 
> From: "chevelle" <chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: completely uninstalling jaws
>
>
>> Hi Will, there was a thread on this subject. From time to time for what
> ever
>> reason, someone would uninstall Jaws. Then they would try to reinstall
> jaws,
>> and try to authorize it. They would get a message saying that they all
> ready
>> had an existing copy of jaws on the hard drive. Debbie Scales at one time
>> posted the name of the file, and where to go to delete it, but I can't
> find
>> that post. That is why I  am wanting to know how to completely remove
>> Jaws
>> from the computer. btw thanks for all that info.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: completely uninstalling jaws
>>
>>
>> > Hi;
>> >
>> > JAWS has one of the better set of uninstallation scripts around.  Some
>> > uninstallers do leave keys and values in the registry that will, in all
>> > likelyhood, cause abnormal software operation under some circumstances,
>> > however, the keys and values that JAWS leaves behind, some of which are
>> > auto
>> > generated by Windows, won't cause abnormal software operation.  So,
> unless
>> > you really know what you are doing when editing a registry, I would
> leave
>> > them in there, as editing the wrong keys and values will cause your
> system
>> > to develop unexpected behaviour, and wil probably require you to format
>> > your
>> > hard drive and start again.
>> >
>> > Whilst uninstallation of any software is an important aspect when
>> > transferring machines between owners, so as to remain within the
>> > conditions
>> > defined in the individual EULAs for each piece of software, security of
>> > personal data should also be considered.  When you delete files, such
>> > as
>> > those in My Documents, they're not actually deleted, even when you
>> > empty
>> > the
>> > Recycle Bin.  The 1's and 0's that represent the data on the hard drive
>> > are
>> > still present, and all that happens is that the file name in the file
>> > allocation table changes to indicate that the sectors previously
> occupied
>> > by
>> > that file can be written to once more.  Therefore, if someone were to
> come
>> > along with an unerase tool, such as Unerase Wizard from Symantec, they
>> > could
>> > recover those files without too many problems.  The only way to ensure
>> > this
>> > doesn't happen, is to overwrite those sectors of the hard drive.  This
>> > happens quite a lot in normal use, where you're deleting files and then
>> > overwriting that space with new files, but if you're deleting files
> prior
>> > to
>> > handing the machine over, then these new files are unlikely to be
> created
>> > and there's nothing to overwrite the old data on the hard drive.
> There's
>> > two ways to get around this.  Firstly, you can format the hard drive
>> > and
>> > reinstall Windows and all the necessary device drivers, or you can use
>> > a
>> > tool such as WipeInfo, which is part of Norton Utilities from Symantec,
> to
>> > write a set of 1's and 0's to the free space on your hard drive,
>> > overwriting
>> > all that personal data with garbage.
>> >
>> > It's certainly something worth considering, and not something a lot of
>> > people are aware of, as recently highlighted on BBC Breakfast News,
>> > when
>> > they ran a piece on a report highlighting this security vulnerability
>> > in
>> > businesses.
>> >
>> > Will
>> >
>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Developer/VC++)
>> > For more information on the MVP Program, go to:
>> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "chevelle" <chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:06 PM
>> > Subject: Re: completely uninstalling jaws
>> >
>> >
>> >> No, I am not talking about removal of the authorizaation key. I am
>> >> talking
>> >> about complete removal of Jaws from the hard drive. Even if you
> uninstall
>> >> jaws from the add/remove I believe there is still something related to
>> > jaws
>> >> in the registery.
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Horspool, Matthew F." <drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:11 AM
>> >> Subject: RE: completely uninstalling jaws
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi:
>> >> >
>> >> > At a guess I would say he means the Authorization key as during an
>> >> > uninstall JAWS does not request a removal of the authorization key.
> If
>> >> > anyone can say differently, please speak up!
>> >> >
>> >> > You can find authorization information in a file called
>> >> > Quella authorization key guide.txt
>> >> > If you are using JAWS 4.51 and below, the file is called
>> >> > Authorization key guide.txt
>> >> > I think 3.5 and below called it
>> >> > Authoriz.txt
>> >> > Or something like that.  I can't be certain.
>> >> >
>> >> > HTH,
>> >> > Matthew
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------------------
>> >> > Mr. Matthew F. Horspool
>> >> >
>> >> > Send me an Electronic Mail to
>> >> > drjaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >
>> >> > Add
>> >> > horspool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > to your MSN contact list
>> >> >
>> >> > Or Visit my web site at
>> >> > http://www.horspool.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>> >> > -------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> >> > Behalf Of chevelle
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 AM
>> >> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: completely uninstalling jaws
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi, after you uninstall jaws from the add/remove or from the tools
>> >> > options of jaws. I think someone on this list said to completely
> remove
>> >> > Jaws you have to remove something from the registery. Is that right?
> If
>> >> > so what do you remove from the registery to completely remove jaws
> from
>> >> > the hard drive. Thanks.
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