Re: checking headers and footers
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:26:01 -0800
Jean,
I didn't realize you were having trouble there. The key commands for
formatting within that area are the same as when simply working in a
document. For example, if you want to right align some text, you use
Control R on it, as you would in a document. Or if you want to just push it
over to the right but not actually right align it, you'd tab several time
before beginning to type, and then examine what you'd done to see if you'd
gone too close to the right margin and caused the line to break, in which
case you'd just go to the first letter and backspace, deleting one tab at a
time until the text fit all on one line. And so forth. Just like editing
in Word in a regular sense. I hope I'm being clear. If not, please ask for
elaboration or whatever will help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: checking headers and footers
Yes, that's about it, but still when I creat one, it's hard to determine
alignment even in the creation stage. Sometimes I do have to edit them.
Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: checking headers and footers
> Jean, you'll just have to go into the screens where you created the
> headers
> and footers to check for this. If they're set as you remember having
> set
> them, then they're fine. I know that's not as easy as the way a
> sighted
> person would simply look at the screen and see the positions, but so
> it
> goes. To tell the truth, once I create a footer or header, carefully,
> and
> apply it to the document, I just trust that it's appearing as it
> should.
> I've never been disappointed in this, so, again, if you create your
> headers
> carefully, it'll be fine. For a sighted user, it's just reassuring to
> see a
> header actually appear above the body text. It just looks nifty to
> see how
> the document will actually look. But for a Jaws user, just being very
> careful in the first place should be enough.
>
> hing is going tnduser['re ish,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: checking headers and footers
>
>
> But I have a problem using the Jaws cursor to check headers and
> footers
> in print view in Word.
>
> For example, I can certainly read the text of the header or footer,
> but
> I can't check alignment. Typically, I have some text of a header that
> I
> want left justified, and another part that needs to be right
> justified.
> . I'd like to be able to use a command like alt-delete to determine
> the
> relationship to the margin. But you can't do that with the Jaws
> cursor.
>
> Same goes when creating the header. I find it difficult to determine
> exact text placement.
>
> Jean
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>
>
>> You're welcome. As I said, Jaws won't perceive and report on the
>> actual
>> appearance in certain ways, but that doesn't really matter, for the
>> most
>> part. But as I said, elements like headers (and simply page numbers
>> added
>> from the Insert menu, also) will appear on the screen so you can
>> check
>> them
>> rather than having to go into the headers screen to confirm that
>> you've set
>> them. But for that, you'll need to use the Jaws cursor, so far as I
>> remember from the last time I checked headers in the print view. The
>> virtual cursor won't see headers, I don't think. Give it a try. It
>> will
>> provide at least a little assurance that things are coming out as you
>> want
>> them to.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Korin Trytko" <gryffontko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>
>>
>> Hi Yardbird,
>>
>> Thanks for that last bit. I like to know How my document will look
>> when
>> it is printed out. It's a good thing to know. I don't always have
>> someone
>> to check my work and the more I am able to figure out myself the
>> better.
>>
>> thanks again
>>
>> Korin Trytko
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> I'm an old Word user and I'm partially sighted, so I can confirm
>>> this. I
>>> hope others will profit from this advice. Even though the Normal
>>> View is
>>> best to use for Jaws to have the clearest view of the document most
>>> of the
>>> time, the Print View provides an understanding of how the hard copy
>>> will
>>> actually look. Although the difference can't be fully appreciated
>>> without
>>> sight, Jaws will report usefully on some things, such as headers,
>>> which
>>> appear in Print View, but are not displayed in Normal View.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dave Speck" <dspeck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, JAWS users can benefit from knowing if they are in the
>>> Print
>>> view
>>> or Normal view. Do this in both views and listen to the resulting
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Press Alt+Delete to hear the cursor's distance from the left and top
>>> margins.
>>> Press Jawskey+Delete to hear the current line and column.
>>>
>>> If the user is particular about formatting, it is very important
>>> even
>>> when
>>> the screen can not be seen.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, that's irrelevant, here, which is why I couldn't have guessed
>>>> it.
>>> The
>>>> print view is simply one of the alternatives on the View menu as to
>>>> how
>>> the
>>>> document will be shown on the screen. It looks more or less the
>>>> way
>>>> the
>>> doc
>>>> will look when it's printed out. The sides darken and come in a
>>>> little
>>>> so
>>>> you can see the document as if it were a sheet of printed paper,
>>>> the
>>>> page
>>>> numbers or headers you've set will show visually on the screen (the
>>>> Jaws
>>>> cursor can find them, also) instead of remaining hidden as in
>>>> "normal
>>> view,"
>>>> and some other things. It's a useful preview of how your document
>>>> is
>>> going
>>>> to look when printed, pretty much useless and meaningless if you
>>>> can't
>>>> see
>>>> it. The usual recommendation with Jaws is to just set the View
>>>> menu
>>>> to
>>> show
>>>> the "normal view," which I put in quotes because I don't really
>>>> know
>>>> what
>>>> they mean, except maybe "unenhanced."
>>>>
>>>> anyway, it doesn't make any difference in any other way, except
>>>> that
>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>> Jaws user it's better to work with the normal view, they say, You
>>>> can
>>>> always set it to Print View if someone wants to see how it'll look
>>> printed,
>>>> but if no one's looking, it scarcely matters. The ultimate result,
>>> whether
>>>> on the computer or printed out, is completely unaffected by this
>>>> print/normal thing. That's just a display convenience.
>>>>
>>>> I hope maybe this is helpful. And I have no idea why this person's
>>>> Jaws
>>> is
>>>> even saying "print," any more than I did in the first place. Jaws
>>>> doesn't
>>>> say "print" anytime I can think of. On the view menu, it says
>>>> "pprint
>>>> view," which is what is sritten there. And when you issue the
>>>> print
>>>> command, it jus says "print." But you can't be copying and pasting
>>>> text
>>>> when you're in the midst of printing a document.
>>>>
>>>> Scratching head, going back to kitchen to eat dinner.
>>>>
>>>> From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that refers to the print view, as opposed to the normal
>>>> view. And
>>>> about that I know absolutely nothing beyond what I've just said.
>>>> <GRIN>
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Yardbird wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Why is Word saying "Print" at all in this scenario? You're
>>>> > copying and
>>>> > pasting text, not printing a document. Do I misunderstand what
>>>> > you are
>>>> > doing at times like this? Thanks for explaining.
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Nicki Keck" <favorite.blend@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:03 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > For me, it is Word. I will use FS clipboard to select, copy, and
>>>> > append
>>>> > the
>>>> > text I want to put in, then control-V. All works fine. then,
>>> sometimes,
>>>> > I
>>>> > will select another area, press controlC, word will pause, and
>>>> > then
>>>> > just
>>>> > say
>>>> > "print" and go back to the document without saying "copied."
>>>> > Yesterday
>>> I
>>>> > had to select again and press control C multiple times (with
>>>> > answering
>>> yes
>>>> > each time) for it to copy the new text. Now usually, it works
>>>> > just
>>> great,
>>>> > but sometimes, it gets a bit sluggish and flaky when I've had
>>>> > Word
>>>> > up
>>> for
>>>> > a
>>>> > while, something I have to do with my job. i just think it would
>>>> > be a
>>>> > nice
>>>> > thing to have a way of just clearing the clipboard without having
>>>> > to
>>>> > try
>>>> > to
>>>> > copy something else and answer yes.
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx>
>>>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:17 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Sorry, but I don't think it's the FS clipboard that's messed up.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> One thing you might want to check is how your system is
>>>> >> displaying
>>>> >> highlighted text. I don't know if that has anything to do with
>>>> >> it,
>>>> >> but
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> might. Of course, you know how to select individual words,
>>>> >> sentences,
>>>> >> etc., right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And depending where you are trying to use the clipboard, there
>>>> >> are
>>>> >> clipboard settings in Word you might want to turn off. I can't
>>> remember
>>>> >> what they are right now, but the MS clipboard might be set up
>>> differently
>>>> >> on your computer. And I have no idea if it's Word you're
>>>> >> working
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> not.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But again, I really don't think the FS clipboard is the problem
>>>> >> here.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jean
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Sun Sparkle" <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:45 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> you know folks this is getting more and more anoying.
>>>> >>> the only way to even get the clipboard contents to do what i
>>>> >>> would
>>>> >>> wantis
>>>> >>> to do a select all before doing a control c lets just say that
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> screwed
>>>> >>> up in the sense cause what if you wanted to just select part of
>>>> >>> what
>>> you
>>>> >>> are selecting and the regular clipboard and the fs clipboard
>>>> >>> dont
>>> allow
>>>> >>> you to copy the text like that then what?
>>>> >>> just a question
>>>> >>> fs needs tofix there mess up on the fs clipboard.
>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> From: "Nicki Keck" <favorite.blend@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:36 PM
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Sometimes, it doesn't copy when I do this. sometimes, it
>>>> >>>> needs
>>>> >>>> to
>>>> >>>> be
>>>> >>>> done multiple times.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>> From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>>> Cc: <Jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:40 PM
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: fs clipboard problem
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Why would you need to clear it? Just do a normal cut or copy
>>>> >>>>> to the
>>>> >>>>> clipboard and a dialog pops up warning you that this will
>>>> >>>>> erase
>>> what's
>>>> >>>>> already there, if you've used windows+C. Answer yes to this
>>>> >>>>> and
>>> you're
>>>> >>>>> good to go.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> bruce
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
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>>>> >>>>> http://www.ogts.net
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>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Sun Sparkle wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> how do you clear what is on the FS clipboard, after pasteing
>>>> >>>>>> what
>>> you
>>>> >>>>>> have either in a document, or email?
>>>> >>>>>> for the past 6 weeks i have had to unload JAWS to clear the
>>>> >>>>>> FS
>>>> >>>>>> clipboard and find this very anoying!
>>>> >>>>>> so how do you fix this!
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