So the problem is with numbers with "-" and "." in them and the insert-left/right-arrows. I agree, it's a real pain. But, it's been a pain for so long, I'd forgotten that JAWS used to do it right. Or, the forgetting might be just another symptom of the aging process; what another pain. (smile) Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 2005/01/02 5:10 PM Subject: Re: beginning to think that JAWS 5.1 is more stable than 6 > Hi, > NO, you are not out to lunch. With JAWWS 3.5 and earlier versions, if you > used insert + right or left arrow, you could read words or numbers with > dashes in them or decimals etc. > If one is comparing numbers with decimals, it is a royal pain to hit 4 > keystrokes if one wouldwork and since JAWS 5.1 had read whole number as a > default, one used > the easy comman insert right/left arrows as with JAWS 3.5. > F S said they had lots of requests for it and 3.5 offered it as a default. > Depends on if one must read numbers all day long. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reed Poynter" <Reed.Poynter@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: beginning to think that JAWS 5.1 is more stable than 6 > > > > Am I totaly out to lunch here? I don't understand the problem. > > > > Reed > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: 2005/01/02 4:12 PM > > Subject: Re: beginning to think that JAWS 5.1 is more stable than 6 > > > > > > > Hi, > > > With JAWS 5.0038, the read next word usedthe single key command > > > insert right arrow or leftarrow for reading previous word independpent > > of > > > synthesizer. > > > With 5.1 and 6, one has to addthe keystroke. > > > Lots of people asked to have read whole word (number) with single > > keystroke > > > as itwas with JAWS 3.5 and as far as I am concerned, F S could so > > easily > > > fix it since they acknowledge knowing about it as of 5.0038. > > > > > > > > > In > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: beginning to think that JAWS 5.1 is more stable than 6 > > > > > > > > > > Well, remember that the synthesizer you're using also factors into the > > > > numbers and how they are read. Both JAWS and the synthesizer work > > together > > > > on that one. So if it's not reading something correctly, it might be > the > > > > synth's problem and not the screenreader. > > > > It is annoying i know. > > > > > > > > At 03:36 PM 1/2/2005, you wrote: > > > > >I have the ILM installed, not form the CD, but I put in the number FS > > > gave > > > > >me manually, if that's a help, drop me an email. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > >Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:27 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: beginning to think that JAWS 5.1 is more stable than 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fairness, I must say JAWS 6 agreeing with Bruce is more stable > > and > > > > > > works > > > > > > much better than 5.1 but I was always a bigger fan of JAWS > 5.0038. > > > > > > I figured out that reading list views often requires using "read > > > current > > > > > > line" since they are often silent but one can use letters to get > > > through > > > > > > listviews.'Again, F S did not implement "read whole number" > > > > > > correctly--delimiteres are read right in emails--I am talking > about > > > the > > > > > > needfor better number reading efficiently elsewhere since > > > numbers > > > > > > are > > > > > > so important. We get to set the "control insert arrow"thing > > again. > > > > > > Dangit. > > > > > > > > > > > > JAWS 6 does show " some improvement working with MAGIC at the > > > sametime > > > > > > and > > > > > > since I cross tested every MAGIC version with the 4 JAWS versions > I > > > have, > > > > > > I > > > > > > now believe the F S take on video cards made by ATI may be less > > > correct > > > > > > than they think since J 6 tolerates simultaneous MAGIC/JAWS use > > > > > > "better". > > > > > > (However list of video cards for use with MAGIC and JAWS still is > > not > > > > > > available). I suspect problems relate more to which JAWS > version > > > not > > > > > > the > > > > > > video card. > > > > > > Now, amazingly, every JAWS version since 4.51 has yielded > different > > > > > > results > > > > > > using my cherished "s" keystroke which saves me 70% searching > time > > on > > > > > > very > > > > > > extensive web sites, shoppingsites etc. and with J 6, some text > > links > > > are > > > > > > skipped capriciously or entirely depending on the site with > graphics > > > found > > > > > > instead but the "s" is quirky whereas it worked great with 4.5 > and > > > 4.51. > > > > > > Of course a broken "s" key comand is better than none as saving > > time > > > > > > these > > > > > > hectic days means more time not working. > > > > > > Finally JAWS 6 is more responsive and better meaning faster at > > > > > > proofreading text in email messages and I appreciate it. > > > > > > Hope they finally give us great number reading with a" single > > > keystroke > > > > > > past those delimeters like decimals and keep working on the "s". > > > > > > When some one installs the i l m, could they please write me > off > > > list > > > > > > with instructions for doing it in detail as I disagree that clear > > and > > > > > > adequate info is available now but do not wish to start a fight. > > > > > > Happy New Year to all and thanks to the help given here onthis > > great > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:34 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: beginning to think that JAWS 5.1 is more stable than > 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is odd, and proof positive that different people experience > > > > > >> different > > > > > >> results. It's been my experience that JAWS 6, at least on my work > > > > > >> computer > > > > > >> where I've been able to try it, has been quite a lot more stable > > than > > > > > >> 5.1. > > > > > >> So ... go figure. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bruce > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Bruce Toews > > > > > >> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: water_drinker@xxxxxxxx > > > > > >> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): > > > http://www.ogts.net > > > > > >> For information on my weekly radio show visit > > > > > >> http://radioclassics.ogts.net > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Ray Foret Jr. wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Dear Tracey Jackson and JFW list, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > After nearly a week or so with JAWS 6, and after having done > 4 > > > > > >> > installations of JAWS 6 and reconfiguring manually all my > > settings > > > each > > > > > > time > > > > > >> > but the first two, and after having done quite a bit of > browsing > > on > > > the > > > > > >> > internet, and after having experienced problems with how JFW > > > version 6 > > > > > >> > behaves with Windows Messenger, and after having audio skipping > > > issues > > > > > > with > > > > > >> > JFW version 6 and not any of these issues with JAWS version > 5.1, > > I > > > am > > > > > >> > beginning to come to the conclusion that JAWS 6 is quite a bit > of > > a > > > > > >> > step > > > > > >> > backward rather than forward. Some sluggishness still remains > > with > > > my > > > > > >> > keyboard, I still cannot resolve the Windows Messenger issues > > with > > > > > >> > names > > > > > > of > > > > > >> > contacts signing in and not being announced without also having > > > option > > > > > > 12 > > > > > >> > JAWS Messages turned on (this was not necessary with JAWS 5.1). > > > Pages > > > > > > are > > > > > >> > taking much longer to load with JAWS version 6 than they ever > did > > > with > > > > > > JAWS > > > > > >> > 5.1. There are just so many issues I have found that I may > > revert > > > back > > > > > > to > > > > > >> > JAWS 5.1. I'm willing to wait to see if the ILM version of > JAWS > > > > > >> > version > > > > > > 6 > > > > > >> > behaves better than the Quella version of JAWS version 6 I'm > now > > > using; > > > > > > but, > > > > > >> > if all of the behavior factors I mentioned above remain the > same, > > I > > > > > >> > will > > > > > >> > most likely switch back to 5.1. I'd kind of hate to do that > > > because > > > > > >> > I'd > > > > > >> > like to believe that FS. always moves forward with progress of > > this > > > > > > product. > > > > > >> > It does seem to me, however, that, despite the best of advice > > which > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > >> > had directly from FS tech support and from others who are very > > > > > > knowledgeable > > > > > >> > about JAWS, many an issue yet remains with at least the Quella > > > version > > > > > > of > > > > > >> > JAWS 6. IF the ILM version of JAWS version 6 proves no better, > I > > > may > > > > > > revert > > > > > >> > to JAWS version 5.1 upon installing my new hard drive. I still > > > have a > > > > > > key > > > > > >> > on floppy disk which I could use, however, if I do switch back > to > > > JAWS > > > > > >> > version 5.1, would I be better off using the ILM version or > just > > > stick > > > > > > with > > > > > >> > the Quella? If anybody else out there can shed some light on > > this > > > > > > matter, > > > > > >> > I'd appreciate it very much. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Sincerely Yours, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The Constantly BAREFOOTED > > > > > >> > Ray > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Home Phone And Fax: (985)853-0139 > > > > > >> > E-mail and Windows Messenger: > > > > > >> > rforetjr@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > God Bless President George W Bush > > > > > >> > God Bless America > > > > > >> > And God Bless Our Troops > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > > > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > > > line. > > > > > >> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the > > list, > > > or > > > > > > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. > Rather > > > > > > contact > > > > > > the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > > > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > > > line. > > > > > > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the > > list, > > > or > > > > > > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. > Rather > > > > > > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > > > > >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > > line. > > > > >Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > > > > > > > > >If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, > > or > > > > >the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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