No, it's not easy. The jaws insert+F command will give you a lot of information about the header or footer you're positioned on, but it won't give you all the information. You can control how close the text is allowed to come to the header or footer, and how close to the edge of the paper the header/footer is allowed to come. This kind of info is not supplied by insert+f and is difficult to find. You're best bet is a complete book on Word, and then check every option they detail about headers and footers if it's critical. You'll need such a book if you're really going to understand headers in a large document, especially if they need to change from section to section, or chapter to chapter, or if some pages need to be landscaped. I've even seen a book for Word users who need to create complex legal documents, and we bought a copy where I work because we do, but it had complete copy-protection on the PDF and I wasn't able to read it with a screen reader. My point really is that Word can get so complex that such a specialty book is needed. hth, Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) ________________________________ From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:21 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Word; was misc settings in office 2003 with jfw9? Chip and all, How does a lone blind person know that his header and footer are up to snuff visually? For example, if the professor gives you certain dimensions for headers and footers, is there a way to know that I've met his specks? Ben ________________________________ From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chip Orange Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 14:39 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Word; was misc settings in office 2003 with jfw9? Hi again Dave, As you say, use the view menu and choose the header/footer choice to go into the header/footer editor. This isn't a dialog, so you can't use tab to move around, it's another document editor, so tabs just get entered into the header or footer. Press the insert + f1 key to get jaws help, and it will tell you that you are in the header/footer pane, and it will give you the info that the up/down arrow keys will move you between the header and the footer portion. It also gives you info on your document, such as how many sections it has. It also helps to have your styles detection set to speak, that way if you move between the header and the footer portion, it will announce the style change, helping you to know which one you're in. The jaws help also gives you a link to get more info on the jaws hot keys for word. some of the header/footer options are controlled via a toolbar which is displayed when you're editing a header/footer. This is the one which says "insert autotext" when you first land on it. This is where you control choices such as different first page (by selecting the "page setup" button on the header/footer toolbar), the "same as previous" option for the header/footer (that's the "link to previous" button), being able to insert page numbering into the footer, and being able to move between multiple headers or footers when you have a multi-section document. Jaws help tells you to choose the view menu and the normal view to exit the header/footer pane, but this changes your document view (which is usually set to page view), so I've found that choosing the view menu and the header/footer option a second time will also serve to exit you out of the header/footer pane without changing the document view. hth, Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) ________________________________ From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:07 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: misc settings in office 2003 with jfw9? Hello, I'm using jfw9 and office 2003, the two apps in this email message are word and outlook. My issues are separate, but I'm having jfw speaking for both. In outlook, and this only occurs on this computer, not on another so I believe it is a setting, when I minimize or close outlook I get it listed in my systray, this Is not what I want. When I minimize I'd like outlook to be in my taskbar, and when I close I'd like outlook to close, period. I remember flipping some setting that made this work, but can't remember where it is, any assistance? Now for word, I open up either a blank document or a word doc with text in it. In either case I want to insert a header or footer. Previously in office 2k and jfw5 I'd do this and the dialogs would speak, indicating where I am, either in the header or footer. In 2003 I go to view, headers and footers, and I'm in some kind of what looks like an onscreen dialog, but no feedback. Tabbing doesn't get me to the footer dialog if I'm in fact in the header one. Any suggestions, is there a jfw tweak? Oh, and what is this Microsoft Office Customer Improvement program icon? Any idea how to stop it? Thanks. Dave.