Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express

like, for instance, using gmail or something? Don't tell me that you have 
your MSN address registered with companies, doctors etc? because from the 
start that is a foolish thing to do.
sorry for sounding harsh...
orhan.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Katherine Schulz
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express


  You mentioned alternatives for hot mail users but you didn't mention 
anything but windows live mail.  What are other alternatives?

  I have msn so I imagine that if I want to keep using outlook express, I 
will have to find a different internet service, which I really don't want to 
do.

  Katherine
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: orhan deniz
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:16 PM
    Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express


    now, I think that is a good thing. Of course folks, we can have varying 
opinions on this matter.

    orhan.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Steve Vandecar
      To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:07 PM
      Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express


      Hi,

      I have tried Windows Live Mail and the biggest complaint I have is 
that every email acount you check has its own separate  set of mail boxes 
that are a nuisance to  mess with.  Other then that it seems to work ok.

      Steve
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: orhan deniz
        To: blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:44 AM
        Subject: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express


        Evening folks,
        Recently there have been some postings  to various blind technology 
lists about the Misconceptions about Windows Live mail. From what I 
understand, Live mail will only effect those using hotmail. This is because, 
people on Hotmail use the HTTP way of accessing E-mail. Microsoft, use a 
different protocol for Hotmail users to access their e-mail. For this 
reason, they have to switch to windows Live mail. Frankly, this was coming. 
New outlook express users could not use hotmail anymore with out paying for 
it, and Microsoft was slowly dropping the ball on outlook express. For those 
who use hotmail, you could use something that would use a pop3 or imap 
server.  This includes but is not limited to, gmail and other free e-mail 
services.

        Now, Let me try and clear out some misconceptions in the blindness 
community.
        Firstly, windows Live mail is navigable with jaws, and probably 
window-eyes. You can certainly use it, there some focus issues but apart 
from that, it is usable. Jaws9, does, indeed, have built-in scripts for WL 
mail. While not perfect, they are functionable.  a person can use most of 
the keystrokes to accomplish what they need to in WLM mail. Composition of 
messages is pretty straight forward, except for turning off the PC cursor.
        oh, BTW, you don't have indication of weather a message is read or 
unread.


        Now, my opinion.
        Yes, windows Live mail is usable to a certain degree with jaws 9 and 
maybe other screen readers, but I don't think it is perfect as well. I think 
we should make the gradual move to  it, and Notify screen reader vendors 
that this will be a key program in the future. outlook express is not!  and 
I  mean not!!!  just gonna die now,and as you have seen, it only effects 
hotmail users. Plus, there are alternatives, for those Hotmail users.
        I would recommend that Hotmail users try out windows Live mail. 
Honestly, it's not that bad. Now, if you don't have jaws9 or what ever, 
there is alternative e-mail services, clients etc. Don't!,  Don't,! be 
afraid to try out new things.
        For those people like me who don't use hotmail, but another e-mail 
service, stick with outlook express, imho... because there are still bugs in 
Windows Live Mail.

        Kindest regards,
        orhan.

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