like, for instance, using gmail or something? Don't tell me that you have your MSN address registered with companies, doctors etc? because from the start that is a foolish thing to do. sorry for sounding harsh... orhan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Schulz To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express You mentioned alternatives for hot mail users but you didn't mention anything but windows live mail. What are other alternatives? I have msn so I imagine that if I want to keep using outlook express, I will have to find a different internet service, which I really don't want to do. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: orhan deniz To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express now, I think that is a good thing. Of course folks, we can have varying opinions on this matter. orhan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Vandecar To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express Hi, I have tried Windows Live Mail and the biggest complaint I have is that every email acount you check has its own separate set of mail boxes that are a nuisance to mess with. Other then that it seems to work ok. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: orhan deniz To: blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express Evening folks, Recently there have been some postings to various blind technology lists about the Misconceptions about Windows Live mail. From what I understand, Live mail will only effect those using hotmail. This is because, people on Hotmail use the HTTP way of accessing E-mail. Microsoft, use a different protocol for Hotmail users to access their e-mail. For this reason, they have to switch to windows Live mail. Frankly, this was coming. New outlook express users could not use hotmail anymore with out paying for it, and Microsoft was slowly dropping the ball on outlook express. For those who use hotmail, you could use something that would use a pop3 or imap server. This includes but is not limited to, gmail and other free e-mail services. Now, Let me try and clear out some misconceptions in the blindness community. Firstly, windows Live mail is navigable with jaws, and probably window-eyes. You can certainly use it, there some focus issues but apart from that, it is usable. Jaws9, does, indeed, have built-in scripts for WL mail. While not perfect, they are functionable. a person can use most of the keystrokes to accomplish what they need to in WLM mail. Composition of messages is pretty straight forward, except for turning off the PC cursor. oh, BTW, you don't have indication of weather a message is read or unread. Now, my opinion. Yes, windows Live mail is usable to a certain degree with jaws 9 and maybe other screen readers, but I don't think it is perfect as well. I think we should make the gradual move to it, and Notify screen reader vendors that this will be a key program in the future. outlook express is not! and I mean not!!! just gonna die now,and as you have seen, it only effects hotmail users. Plus, there are alternatives, for those Hotmail users. I would recommend that Hotmail users try out windows Live mail. Honestly, it's not that bad. Now, if you don't have jaws9 or what ever, there is alternative e-mail services, clients etc. Don't!, Don't,! be afraid to try out new things. For those people like me who don't use hotmail, but another e-mail service, stick with outlook express, imho... because there are still bugs in Windows Live Mail. Kindest regards, orhan.