Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?

  • From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:47:05 -0700

Dana,

No one from FS monitors this list, or at least admits to doing so.  On the 
other popular list, Jaws Lite (not to be confused with Debbie's defunct JFW 
Lite list), at least one prominent FS figure subscribes, reads and 
occasionally posts helpfully, and that's Eric Damery.

So if you want to communicate with FS in an indirect way with such a plaint, 
you might subscribe to that list as well.  I can dig up the subscribe 
address if you ask me privately.  Or better yet, why not just report 
something like this directly to the appropriate department at FS itself, by 
going onto the site and finding the suitable contact info?

Original Message ----- 
From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?


That would be the ideal solution. But, I doubt FS is listening, as usual.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?


> Dana, what I wish it that legacy support was an option in the insert shift
> V
> (personalized web settings) dialog.  That way you could enable it or
> disable
> it for certain websites, but not all.
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>
>
> Yes! enabling legacy support causes JAWS 7.1 to display html tables as it
> did in 7.0, rather than as in 7.1 without legacy support. I was going to
> explore the Document Presentation options, to address this. But, now, I
> think I'm just going to rely on legacy support, until such time as I find
> an
> actual (not potential) problem with it.
>
> Dana
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>
>
>> Thanks, Debbie; that did the trick.
>>
>> I had previously read the warning that, with legacy support enabled, some
>> web features might not work properly. But, as you suggested, I can't find
>> any description of which features, etc. I rather suspect legacy support
>> may resolve some other web behaviors (differences between 7.1 and 7.0)
>> that are annoying me. I wasn't going to play with legacy support, because
>> of the warnings. But, now, I think I may just go ahead and use it by
>> default, until and unless I find a situation where it does create a
>> problem (I haven't found any, as yet, and I've found this (and possibly
>> other situations where it actually help.) Sounds reasonable?
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>
>>
>>> Okay Dana, I think I can tell you how to get it back.
>>> But I have heard this isn't a good idea to do on a permanent basis.
>>> Please don't ask me to explain why because nobody ever really explains
>>> it,
>>> they just say it's not a good idea, smile.
>>> But...with that said.
>>> Go to configuration manager in IE and go to the HTML options, misc.
>>> page.
>>> Check the checkbox for use legacy support.
>>> Save your changes, y ou might need to restart jaws.
>>> See if that gives you the blank line back.  It seemed to for me.
>>> I will dig around in help and see what I can find on legacy support.
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>
>>>
>>> Debbie,
>>>
>>> I'm complaining about the absence of a blank line immediately above the
>>> heading, not below. I used to have one there, with 7.0, and don't, with
>>> 7.1.
>>> And, without a blank line above the heading, I think it's rather
>>> confusing
>>> to tell where one track listing end and the next heading begins, while
>>> quickly reading through the list, with the arrow keys.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dana, and now tell me again how you are navigating this?
>>>> If I press H (or 3 when I get down to them) for a heading and then
>>>> arrow
>>>> down I get the same thing in Jaws 7.0 and Jaws 7.1.
>>>> i get for example
>>>> Barenaked Ladies - All Their Greatest Hits 1991-2001
>>>> Then if I arrow down I get
>>>> 1. The Old Apartment
>>>> I don't get a blank line.
>>>> Debbie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quite sure how it appears to a sighted visitor. That's
>>>> something
>>>> I'll investigate the next time I have some sighted assistance, to go
>>>> over
>>>> it
>>>> with me. But, in general, I would like my pages to be useful, and
>>>> easily
>>>> readable, by any visitor, whether blind or sighted, and, as a matter of
>>>> my
>>>> own pride in workmanship, I'd like to be sure I know how to so design
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Blessed Be,
>>>>
>>>> Dana
>>>> that's Dayna, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A
>>>>
>>>> D. S. Leslie, nÃe C. R. Guttman
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, I get it.  I'll go to the page just to look, anyway, but your
>>>>> description explains it well.  I have only one memory to draw on of a
>>>>> similar page navigation situation where lack of blank spaces the way
>>>>> you're
>>>>> describing confused me so much that I dropped my subscription to a
>>>>> particular online journal, because the table of contents for each
>>>>> issue
>>>>> didn't leave blank lines between the article titles and their subheads
>>>>> and
>>>>> or authors' names, and however hard I tried to keep clearly in mind
>>>>> the
>>>>> sequence, so I could figure out which article was rotten by which of
>>>>> the
>>>>> issues several writers, I kept getting confused because the items
>>>>> weren't
>>>>> separated by blank lines from each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'll admit, I wasn't navigating then in terms of headings, just
>>>>> arrowing
>>>>> down through the table of contents.  Even now, were I to return to
>>>>> that
>>>>> page, I don't think I'd be using headings for going through the list.
>>>>> But
>>>>> what counts here is the mess it can make of a list such as the one
>>>>> you're
>>>>> describing to not have blank lines separating the listed items clearly
>>>>> from
>>>>> each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you have some success fixing this.  By the way, since you say
>>>>> it's
>>>>> essentially your own Web page, is it that you want to change the Jaws
>>>>> behavior so that you can tell other Jaws users how to do it?  Do you
>>>>> also
>>>>> hope to host many sighted visitors, and do you think that the list
>>>>> looks
>>>>> that way to them, just a mush of text without any breaks?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:13 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yardbird,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I'm talking about html headings; sorry I misspoke.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an example of what I'm concerned about, go to my online
>>>>> discography:
>>>>> http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/cds.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> There, you'll see that the track listing for each album is preceded by
>>>>> a
>>>>> level 3 heading, giving the title of the album. But, between any such
>>>>> heading and the track listing immediately above, there is no longer a
>>>>> blank
>>>>> line, as there used to be with 7.0. I find this a bit confusing, when
>>>>> reading through the discography with the up and down arrows, and not
>>>>> just
>>>>> jumping from heading to heading. I'd like to revert to the 7.0
>>>>> behavior,
>>>>> if
>>>>> I can figure out how to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessed Be,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dana
>>>>> that's Dayna, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A
>>>>>
>>>>> D. S. Leslie, nÃe C. R. Guttman
>>>>> Email: DSLeslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. to my first post I just sent.  You say "header," and I thought
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> meant "heading," which is a page design element.  Do you actually
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> "header?"  What's a header on a Web page?  Or aren't you talking
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Web?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Genuinely confused, now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Debbie. I think that's what I had in mind; I remember coming
>>>>>> across
>>>>>> that text, before. But, I'm pretty sure I read it in one of the
>>>>>> ins-F1
>>>>>> dialogues, for an option somewhere in Configuration Manager. But, at
>>>>>> least,
>>>>>> I can use the options in the ins-V dialogue, to experiment with them,
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> their effects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any luck on discovering how I can get back the blank line that used
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> appear above an HTML header?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dana
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:43 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dana, I don't remember that being in configuration manager.
>>>>>>> The jaws help says for example:
>>>>>>> When reading a Web page with the Virtual Cursor, JAWS places each
>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> its own line, even if the document visually presents the link on a
>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> other text or additional links.
>>>>>>> Tables.  JAWS reads the cells in order from left to right and
>>>>>>> behaves
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> each table cell begins on a new line.
>>>>>>> So jaws doesn't ever actually change the way the page is displayed
>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>> for the way it "interprets" and "stores" it in the virtual buffer.
>>>>>>> Could you be thinking of documentation presentation?  Screen layout
>>>>>>> versus
>>>>>>> simple layout? (insert V dialog).
>>>>>>> Both 7.0 and 7.1 say JFWLite Home Page (heading 1) followed by
>>>>>>> Programs
>>>>>>> Page.
>>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: "JFWList" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:46 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember that, when I initially looked through the new
>>>>>>> Configuration
>>>>>>> Manager, I found a section to control whether HTML links are each
>>>>>>> displayed
>>>>>>> on a separate line (as has always been the case, up until 7.1), and
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> cells in a table are each displayed on a separate line. Now I want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> experiment with these settings, but I can't find my way back to
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> anyone give me directions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I don't remember seeing a control for this, but does anyone
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> one: Previously, there was always a blank line above any header, in
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> HTML
>>>>>>> document. Now, in 7.1, headers follow immediately upon the previous
>>>>>>> text,
>>>>>>> with no blank line in-between. I'd like to restore the previous
>>>>>>> behavior,
>>>>>>> and regain those blank lines. does anyone know how to accomplish
>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessed Be,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dana
>>>>>>> that's Dayna, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D. S. Leslie, nÃe C. R. Guttman
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