RE: Well folks, I tried!

From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:03:28 -0400
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Chip Orange
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blind Melond Chitlin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:45 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Well folks, I tried!
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> Hi,
> I use jaws 5.0 as well as window eyes 4.5, both under windows=20
> xp pro To be really honest, window eyes works way better=20
> outta the box than jaws, much less keyboard commands to=20
> achieve the same stuff, particually when using the mouse cursor.
> No damn ilm/dongle/ pain in der ass things like that.
> Customer support is from what I see on the list, and have=20
> experienced myself is very very good, g.w. micro seem to=20
> really try to listen to their customer base.
> As for price I am not sure.
> Now with new window eyes version 5.0, all the complaints of=20
> window eyes and m.s office seem to now be a thing of the past=20
> if list traffic on the w.e. list is anything to go by.
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> Cheers, James=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John McLuckie
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2005 11:29 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Well folks, I tried!
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> I am unfamiliar with winEyes, but have seen it mentioned in=20
> various conversations on freelist.  I have been a JAWS user=20
> for many years now, and although I am no expert, I can get=20
> most things done that I need to and can usually find the help=20
> I need for most popular applications.
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> I am, however, becoming very concerned about the most recent=20
> versions of JAWS, I still use 5.1.  I guess if there is going=20
> to be a breaking point, I may wish to investigate WinEyes and=20
> see how well it works as compared to my current and previous=20
> satisfaction with the JAWS product.
> Does anyone on this list use winEyes?  Can anyone tell us how=20
> user friendly it is, how accessable popular software and the=20
> internet are using that product?  How much does it cost and=20
> what kind of support is available for that product? No use in=20
> jumping from the familiar frying pan into the unknown=20
> fire...so to speak.  thanks.
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> John
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "harry bates" <hdbates@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Well folks, I tried!
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> Thanks Jerry for your efforts.  It looks like I am headed to WinEyes.
> Since my 6.0 has been invalidated and there are so many=20
> complaints about 6.1, which I have downloaded, but not yet=20
> installed, I will stick to jaws 5.1, and seriously=20
> investigate the possibility of switching to WinEyes after 16=20
> years of being a jaws user.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Neufeld" <jerry.neufeld@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ericd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:59 AM
> Subject: Well folks, I tried!
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> > Hello everyone.
> >
> > Some weeks ago, several persons posted messages to this=20
> list in which=20
> > they complained, rather vocally, about the need for a new=20
> > authorization, validation, call it what you like, each time they=20
> > changed a bit of hardware in their computers. From the=20
> standpoint of=20
> > general principles, this issue troubled me, especially=20
> since I, among=20
> > many others on this list, like to experiment with different=20
> devices,=20
> > always looking for the optimal machine. While I was entirely=20
> > sympathetic with Freedom Scientific's desire to safeguard their=20
> > software, I was not very excited, shall we say, by the possibility=20
> > that, as had been claimed, each time I changed a floppy=20
> drive, a sound=20
> > card or added memory, I would have to first check that I had a=20
> > validation left to cover me, should the locking code=20
> extractor detect
> the
> > change and force an update. As I suspected, neither people in sales
> nor
> > technicians could shed any light at all on what Freedom was going to
> allow
> > us to do and not to do. So, calling upon a couple of old friends, I=20
> > contacted Sharon Spensor and Eric Damery to find out the=20
> real story, I=20
> > having promised members of this list to convey what I learned once I
> had
> > the
> > information. Frankly, I suspected that the situation was much less=20
> > dramatic than had been represented on this list and that I would be=20
> > able to
> return
> > here with substantive details that would place our minds at=20
> rest. Well=20
> > folks, for reasons about which I can only speculate, it=20
> didn't happen,
> it
> > simply didn't happen.
> >
> > Before I proceed further, even though Eric Damery has sent=20
> me nothing,
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> > contrary to his promise, I should forward a message from=20
> him to people
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> > on this list, something, it seems to me, he could easily have done=20
> > himself. I am to say that anyone encountering difficulties with=20
> > hardware changes and validation counts should get in=20
> contact with him.
> >
> > Friendly as both Sharon and Eric were, the latter claimed that=20
> > revealing what could and could not be changed in terms of hardware=20
> > peripherals would defeat the entire scheme, allowing hackers, as he=20
> > put it, to devise means to acquire unauthorized versions of the=20
> > software. I pointed out that, within months, enough of us who had=20
> > tried different hardware configurations would have compiled=20
> a list of=20
> > devices that could be substituted without new validations.=20
> Rather than
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> > forcing us to generate such a list, I said, why not create=20
> some good=20
> > will and let users know what to expect. Although I
> did
> > not
> > say so, the specter of hackers seemed just a little paranoid and=20
> > self-serving to me.
> >
> > What troubles me most about this issue is that, indirectly, Freedom=20
> > Scientific is forcing us to seek a license before we make minor=20
> > changes to our hardware, something that, in my view, is=20
> outrageously=20
> > invasive and intolerable. Unlike several other listers, I=20
> have changed
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> > one sound card for another without the slightest problem.=20
> This may be=20
> > true for numerous other internal devices as well, in which case we=20
> > have a veritable tempest in a teapot. Eric tells me of his=20
> advice to=20
> > FS customers that, prior to making any changes to their computers,=20
> > they check to see if they have any validations left, in my=20
> language,=20
> > any licenses by FS to make the change.
> >
> > I must confess to much disappointment in FS's official attitude on=20
> > this topic, yet one more indication of the company's=20
> growing disregard
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> > for consumer opinion. If I discover that a change in minor=20
> devices or=20
> > components like cd/dvd readers, floppy disk adaptors,=20
> memory and the=20
> > like force me to go to FS for another validation, with much, much=20
> > regret, I will give up my ability to program with the Jaws screen=20
> > reader and go to Window Eyes. Prior to doing this, however,=20
> I am going=20
> > to forward some of the messages on
> this
> > list along with a strongly-worded letter to each member of=20
> FS's Board
> with
> > the hope that someone there will show more wisdom than that now
> displayed
> > by
> > management.
> >
> > With much regret
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry
> > jerry.neufeld@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
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