Re: Tutor messages?
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:21:09 -0700
I happen not to feel inconvenienced in a practical way by this feature of
Jaws, although I find it kind of absurd. Maybe it's a matter of how you
define things. But to me, an "edit" field isn't simply one in which text
appears, it's one where you are *invited* to enter or revise text. That's
pretty simple, I think, unless the definition of the word "edit" and the
phrase "edit field" have changed while my back was turned. I have a
suspicion that someone in this case has decided, or maybe this has been
happening for awhile among programmers and such without my being aware of
it, that "edit field" now will mean "a field in which text has previously
been entered, or could be entered, or could or could not be revised. Notice
will be posted as to which type of edit field this particular one is."
Does anyone happen to know if this hypothetical scenario at least resembles
the actual situation? In other words now there can be an "edit field" in
which editing is forbidden or impossible? What an Orwellian world of
language twisting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricque" <ricque@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Tutor messages?
I can't elaborate on why this should even be necessary,
because I simply don't know!
However, I can tell you this, in prior versions of Jaws,
at least on my machine,there are edit fields in some applications, that
cannot be edited by the user.
In those cases, Jaws would simply say edit, and read the imformation in
that particular field.
Now, in at least Jaws 5.0 and up, when one of these fields is encountered,
Jaws will say, "read only edit", alerting the user to the fact that this
field contains imformation which cannot be edited.
One instance that comes to mind, is the eula, "end users license agreement",
which is encountered in the installation of some software.
In this instance, if I used the down arrow to read thru the agreement, I
would just get the text of the agreement.
But, if I used the tab key, I would hear multiple edit fields reported by
Jaws.
Now as to the accuracy of this feature, I can't say, since I have never had
a problem with it,
but then again all software doesn't react the same on every machine.
HTH,
Ricque
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Tutor messages?
I'm not clear about the purpose of Jaws speaking "read only edit," but my
impression is that it's supposed to be a practical, useful message. Doesn't
it indicate that you're in a field where information has been entered but
which you aren't permitted to type or delete anything, yourself? If so, is
the message always accurate?
I can't know whether to consider this message such an annoyance as some of
you feel it is until I know what it's trying to alert me to.
thanks.
inthere
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricque" <ricque@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: Tutor messages?
Hi Curmudgeon,
Thanks for that!
Haven't played with version 5 enough to know that you could ignore the read
only edit message.
Ricque
----- Original Message -----
From: "curmudgeon" <one2three4five6@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Tutor messages?
to kill jaws saying, read only edit in dialog boxes or where ever it shows
its ugly head
here is what you can do
part of my configuration settings,
JAWS CONFIGURATION MANAGER
1open up jaws configuration manager, insert f2
2down arrow, to enter on configuration manager
3press, control shift d, delta, for the default configuration manager
note:
spacebar to check a check box,
or up or down arrow to change a radio button
if you want to know what any particular button does or check box
press inserrt f1 for help, escape to get out of help
press alt s, press the letter, m, for speech and sounds manager
tab twice, enter on, Edit Current Scheme button
press control tab, to control type page
press the letter r, twice to read only edit
tab once, and down arrow to ignore
tab to the ok button and press enter
tab once, to save current scheme button and press enter
tab to the ok button and press enter
press, control s, to save the settings
close the jaws configuration manager alt f4,
turn jaws off, insert f4,
turn jaws on, control alt j,
and u b done!
----- Original Message -----
From: "rich hamel" <rcham27@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Tutor messages?
I tried this and it did not work.
My problem may not be with "tutor" messages.
The first time I open a message in my e mail, I hear JAWS say "read
only edit".
This usually occurs when there is a blank space somewhere. The second time I
read the message, I do not hear JAWS say its thing.
Thanks for the input.
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: "John O. Carvalho" <n1sea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Tutor messages?
> Hey Rich,
> To turn off the messages just go into your jaws & just arrow up to the
> first
> choice the third one.
> I think it might say something like turned off.
> Good luck with it.
> John Carvalho not
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rich hamel" <rcham27@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "JFW" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:48 PM
> Subject: Tutor messages?
>
>
> My problem with the expanded/collapsed announcement has been fixed thanks
> to
> everyone's suggestions.
>
> My questions now, Why does JAWS announce "use your reading keys to read
> the
> message" or something to that effect. It is very annoying to hear this on
> every message.
>
>
> I have JAWS 6.0 and X P.
>
> I adjusted the "tutor" option to each of the 3 options and this did not
> effect my problem.
>
> Does anybody have any suggestions?
>
>
> Rich
>
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