RE: To Braille or Not to Braille

I thought that was as dead as New York Point.

Ted

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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Harmony Neil
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:32 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: To Braille or Not to Braille

It's like a very simplified version of raised up large print.  I don't
know
how to read it to be honest because I don't need to, but not many people
know what it is either.  

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Of Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: 21 October 2010 14:43
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Subject: Re: To Braille or Not to Braille

?Moon writing? Forgive my ignorance, but what's that?

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From: "Harmony Neil" <harmonylm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:04 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: To Braille or Not to Braille

> I know some older people or those who struggle to read braille because
of 
> a
> lack of touch sensation do also use moon (a raised and very simplified
> version of large print), but I know very few people who use it or read
it.
> I don't use moon because I can read braille just fine, but I can see
where
> it may come in useful for some people.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: 21 October 2010 05:20
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: To Braille or Not to Braille
>
> Hi, Lynn and the list.
>
> Reading everyone's perspective on this question has been 
> thought-provoking.
> For many of us, it isn't an either/or question. The part of the brain
that
> absorbs the basics of reading shuts down sometime before adolescence.
As I
> understood the research when I looked into it, this phase determines 
> whether
> we will best read by sight or by touch. For people who have never seen
or
> lose their sight during that window, braille should be taught. The 
> enviable
> people I know who read braille fast learned it during that time. Those
of 
> us
> who lost our vision afterwards have a harder time picking up the speed
> necessary for extensive use, although it can still be useful for
> note-taking, poetry reading, computer code and other purposes.
>
> When I gained access to the written word on computers first via 
> TeleSensory
> and since then with JAWS, I reveled in my ability to check spelling. I

> found
> that not only had I misspelled some words, but also mispronounced
them. 
> Any
> word with a "v" or "be" was an adventure.
>
> Blindness isn't an across-the-board disability. Each of us is affected
> differently, and we adapt in our own resourceful ways. I agree that 
> braille
> should be taught to young people and, ideally, to older people, but in

> each
> instance with different expectations. The ideology of braille can be
hard 
> to
> take for those of us whose ability to benefit from it is limited by
age 
> and,
> in many cases, additional disabilities. When braille is a less viable
> option, JAWS and, yes, other screenreaders give us the means to gain 
> control
> over spelling, among many other important facets of communication.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Lynn Golightly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:11 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: To Braille or Not to Braille
>
> Hi Michael and List,
>
> One of the aspects of my job at the Oklahoma Library for the Blind and
> Physically Handicapped is Braille transcribing. I agree you can read
one
> letter at a time with JAWS and you can proofread that way. However,
when I
> proof a long document, I either need a Braille display or the hard
Braille
> copy. I could read the document one letter at a time after I use the
> spellchecker, but that would take some time. I often find I miss
errors in
> my writing and/or transcribing when I do not either have a Braille
display
> or hard Braille copy. Often when I am reading a document sentence or
> paragraph at a time with JAWS I would swear the document was
error-free; I
> find out most of the time I was wrong.
>
> I am sure you can be literate with speech and other methods of
learning.
> However, for me Braille is like a sighted person's pencil and paper. I
can
> use it anywhere independent of carrying a note taker with speech.
Braille
> gives me so much more independence in the home with labels, and at
work 
> when
> I need to write down a fast note or answer one call after another
call.
>
> I am afraid that due to the shortage of VI teachers and the lack of 
> Braille
> instruction for blind and visually impaired students, there will be
people
> who don't learn to be competent spellers or versatile money managers.
For
> me, Braille is the key to literacy and independence. I also utilize
JAWS 
> and
> all manner of electronic gadgets to augment my ability to perform my
job 
> and
> live independently at home.
>
> Technology and Braille make good bed partners in my opinion. If I had
to
> choose one over the other, though, I would choose Braille.
>
> Vicky Golightly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Michael Arnowitt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:30 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: To Braille or Not to Braille
>
> I would say literacy is more a matter of how much time and effort
you're
> willing to spend. Jaws can spell out any word for you and speak 
> punctuation.
> Whenever I hear a name on the radio these days now that I am blind I
do 
> get
> curious as to its spelling, and I find knowing the spelling makes me
> remember words and names much better. You don't even need to know any 
> fancy
> Jaws command to read letter by letter, just put the cursor at the 
> beginning
> of the word and right arrow one by one. Jaws could be a way to
increase
> literacy, if you're willing to take the time.
>
> I don't do texting, but from what I understand nobody spells out words
in
> texts, or intentionally misspells them, and these are mostly sighted 
> people
> working in a purely visual medium. It's part of the times, not just a
> disease of the so-called illiterate blind. And I have heard some very
good
> writers say they proofread their writing by reading it aloud. I
certainly
> catch mistakes in my writing through Jaws' speech output. So to me, 
> there's
> really no superiority or inferiority to learning language by writing,
> hearing, or feeling it. It's really more a question of do you have the
> motivation and energy to make the effort.
>
> Michael
>
> Dave wrote: Jerry,
>
> Good point. and to make another point that was mentioned in this
forum, a
> very important aspect to learning and reading Braille is in learning
how 
> to
> spell.
>
> I've seen far too many posters on various lists for the blind who are
> writing at a 2nd grade level. It is clear to me that they are spelling
> strictly based on how a word sounds
>
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