Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service

  • From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:53:37 +0100

I've noticed this too, and it's normal. Basically the file net.exe, the
programme that configures services installed on your computer, is
located in c:\windows\system (I actually think it's
c:\windows\system32), anyhow it's just showing you the full path to
net.exe. The words after that (start jfwservice) are the "switches", or
parameters, which instructs net.exe to, in this case, start the
jfwservice service. Tip: If you type, at the run command, net /?,
(without comma), you will see a list of command line switches that you
can use.
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:03:11 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> And here's an interesting feature of this procedure. I deleted the
> original 
> contents of this field, which is the usual path and filename for the .exe 
> file that launches Jaws, and replaced it with what was suggested. After 
> leaving the Properties/Shortcut page by hitting Enter on OK, I exited
> Jaws 
> and restarted it with the hotkey. It launched. Good.
> 
> But then, out of curiosity, I opened the Properties for my Jaws 8 icon
> again 
> and went in there to see if that edit field was just as I'd left it. No,
> it 
> wasn't. The string I'd pasted in was there, but preceded by other stuff.
> I 
> assume this is normal, but it was surprising,anyway. Here's what the edit 
> field looks like now:
> 
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\NET.EXE start jfwservice
> 
> So whatever is configured by pasting in that string, there's its new 
> context. No more path involving the program files. Now, I'm only asking
> to 
> learn something, not to complain, and not to argue, or anything. So if 
> anyone knows what the full new line represents and can explain it
> clearly, 
> please do. Clearly. Thanks.
> 
> ----- Original Message----- 
> From: "Blake Sinnett" <frequency660@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> 
> 
> This is why I don't post helpful things like this. You were just trying
> to
> help, but it causes confusion for the people who are not techies.
> 
> Now, let me explain each part of the command that will replace the
> default.
> First, net is a service control program. Since you have jaws starting
> automatically, jaws creates a service for itself. This service is called
> JFWService.
> 
> Start is a switch. It tells the service control program what you want it
> to
> do.
> 
> 
> Finally, JFWService is the service you want started.
> 
> HTH,
> Blake
> 
> 
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:19:14 -0700
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> one more thing: I just went into the properties for my Jaws 8 startup
> shortcuc and when I read what's already there in the target edit field, I
> was reminded how much more complex that line is, including not only
> whatever
> switch is involved but also a full path and everything, that I don't see
> how
> the short little command below is supposed to replace all that. Just to
> remind you, here are  the standard contents of that edit field:
> 
> "C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\8.0\jfw.exe" c9mplex t
> 
> I'm not sure where that " c9mplex t stuff came from; I never noticed that
> string in such an edit field, before.
> 
> Point is, I'm not sure at all about replacing the original command with
> the
> line below, unless you can reassure me that somehow the replacement line
> points to the same path and filename information to launch Jaws.
> 
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> 
> 
> OK, to have JAWS load as a service manually, open the properties for any
> JAWS shortcut, either on the desktop or start menu, and in the target
> field type exactly as shown:
> net start jfwservice
> Hope this is what you're after, and good luck!
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:17:59 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> said:
>  > Christopher,
>  >
>  > Thanks. Something about the way you phrased it allowed me to understand
>  > better this time. I think I'll go ahead and try using that trick, after
>  > all,
>  > even though I never log off and back on, and don't hear anything from
>  > Jaws
>  > usually after I click on That Down except for the single word
>  > "unavailable,"
>  > which Jaws blurts out at some point. Because sometimes I have to shut
>  > down
>  > because some application refuses to let me exit it, and prevents me from
>  > doing anything else with the computer at that point. That's when I get
>  > that
>  > running processes dialogue as if I'd deliberately tried to end a running
>  > process using control alt delete, and it helps if Jaws is speaking at
>  > that
>  > point. Sometimes it is speaking in that situation and sometimes it isn't.
>  > I'm partial and can see that the dialogue's there, and know from
>  > experience
>  > that it's the End process now? dialogue even though I can't read what it
>  > says.
>  >
>  > Just thinking out loud. Could you give me the way to get that instruction
>  > again so I can rewrite the command in my shortcut properties? May as well
>  > just do it. No harm, I'm sure.
>  >
>  > Thanks for the patience,
>  >
>  > Daniel
>  >
>  > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:50 AM
>  > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
>  >
>  >
>  > What I was thinking is this. Say JAWS has crashed, or, like you said,
>  > someone wanted to use the computer with JAWS turned off. Well, if you
>  > restart JAWS in the normal way (i.e. from the original shortcut or
>  > hotkey that the shortcut's assigned to), JAWS will load as an
>  > application rather than a service. Now, if JAWS runs as an application,
>  > it will unload during the shutdown service, meaning it won't speak
>  > through the shutdown process. JAWS will also not speak when you're asked
>  > for a password to log back into Windows or any other Windows-based log
>  > on screen, such as the one that displays when you turn your computer
>  > back on after a standby or hybernation procedure. If JAWS runs as a
>  > service, however, JAWS will speak, even at the log in prompts and shut
>  > down screen. So this is why I thought this tip would be very useful, so
>  > that you can restart JAWS manually, and it will still speak the above.
>  > Hope this clears any confusions you had.
>  > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:12:08 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > said:
>  > > hello.
>  > >
>  > > I'm not quite clear how this works. For one thing, I already have Jaws
>  > > set
>  > > to load on startup (isn't that as a "service?"). So, the only time I
> use
>  > > my
>  > > shortcut (actually, I tend more often to use control alt j and not the
>  > > icon,
>  > > because I don't need Jaws running to find it!). But I don't understand
>  > > the
>  > > point of doing this. I'm missing something, maybe? Again, the only time
>  > > I
>  > > start Jaws manually at all is when I've exited it for some reason, like
>  > > that
>  > > a sighted friend's been using the computer and preferred it to be
>  > > actually
>  > > off, not just have the volume turned down. So they could use the Web
>  > > properly, for instance, without the interference of the virtual buffer
>  > > screen. Normal enough. But then, if they don't remember to restart jaws
>  > > (there's a toilet seat joke in there somewhere, with screen reader
> users
>  > > being the female and sighted computer user friends being the males),
>  > > then
>  > > I
>  > > just hit my shortcut key combo and it launches. And, if I shut down,
>  > > next
>  > > time I boot up, it loads as a service, as usual. Unless this isn't what
>  > > "service" means?
>  > >
>  > > Okay, that's one question. The other is, if my Jaws is already loading
>  > > on
>  > > startup, then how come it doesn't already keep speaking all the way
>  > > through
>  > > the Windows shutdown sequence, until the screen goes dark?
>  > >
>  > > Maybe you can see the source of my confusion in my questions. I hope.
>  > > Educated  me, please.
>  > >
>  > > Thanks.
>  > > cirtual  enitrely,from the desktop or but that isn't my pointcla
>  > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "JAWS-Users" <jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:41 AM
>  > > Subject: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Hi all,
>  > > I've recently discovered that there is a way to manually start JAWS as
> a
>  > > service using the JAWS shortcut placed on the desktop once JAWS is
>  > > installed. Here's how to do it:
>  > > 1. Go to the desktop with Windows M
>  > > 2. Press j until JAWS <version> (where <version> is the version(s) of
>  > > JAWS you've installed, such as JAWS 8.0).
>  > > 3. Press alt enter to open the JAWS properties. The JAWS properties
>  > > dialogue box appears, with the target edit field in focus.
>  > > 4. Delete what's in the target field and type the following, exactly as
>  > > shown:
>  > > net start jfwservice
>  > > 5. Press enter.
>  > > 6. Press F5 to refresh your desktop.
>  > > To test this:
>  > > 1. Unload JAWS with insert F4 and enter.
>  > > 2. Go to the desktop and press enter on the JAWS icon whose properties
>  > > you have modified.
>  > > 3. Although JAWS will load as expected, you'll notice that unlike the
>  > > regular shortcut that's placed after you've installed JAWS, JAWS will
>  > > speak even after you've logged off windows!
>  > > Hope this tip is of some use! David, you may want to put this up on
> your
>  > > site for those who are interested. Enjoy!
>  > > Christopher Hallsworth
>  > > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > Skype name chrishallsworth7266
>  > > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>  > >
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