Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service

Blake,

I don't understand your objection in the beginning of your message. First, 
it seems you're talking over my shoulder at Christoperh and then going on to 
speak to me, all in the same sentence. that's a little confusing.

Second, I don't think this has anything to do with drawing a distinction 
between people who are more or less advanced in their knowledge than others. 
That is not very nice, if I understand you correctly. It's immaterial, in 
any case. I asked a perfectly intelligent question, one that someone even 
less sophisticated than I couldn't have even phrased as I did. I hope you 
can understand that. Last, I do thank you for your answer, which isn't lost 
on me, thank you, although this particular thing is admittedly new to me. 
But what it reminds me of, and what's still left unexplained so that I have 
to reach for this analogy, is something like nested macros, where one 
command (the string I'm supposed to type into that edit field) calls 
another. This is what I could not have simply known, and there's no reason 
to be catty about my not knowing it. Finally, what is still left unsaid 
explicitly (as opposed to the implications you must think a "smart" person 
would pick up on without asking) is whether this command does indeed call 
the path and executable launch instruction that it replaces in the field. I 
still have not been told that some part of this command knows where to find 
the executable Jaws launch file.

Last, I want to stress that there is no justification even for your 
impatience, let alone bitterness or condescension. That's pure bunk. Many's 
the time I've taken the trouble to post step by step, explicit instructions 
for someone who wasn't familiar with a problem or procedure. It didn't kill 
me to write something clear and orderly, and I didn't feel it necessary to 
belittle them or make sarcastically sympathetic asides to some pal on the 
list. What it actually boils down to, you may be surprised, possibly 
relieved, to understand, isn't anything about peoples' technical 
sophistication. It has to do with knowing how to write clear explanations 
and instructions. There's a way to explain something clearly in a situation 
like this, and having that skill makes all the difference. I repeat, all the 
difference. It has nothing to do with any of the rest of what you're 
expressing annoyance about. Nothing at all. If you don't see what I mean, or 
you think I'm being difficult, which a couple of listers always manage to 
flame me with accusations about, well, nothing I can do about that. Trust 
me, I'm not playing stupid or trying to give anyone a hard time. If it helps 
to be told this, over the course of my professional life I've spent some 
time designing and writing instructional and explanatory materials for 
everything from end users of computer systems to the customer base of one of 
America's largest financial institutions. If that doesn't help put this in 
focus, I'm sorry. There's nothing more I can say. this gets really tiresome. 
And I'm not putting down anyone for just providing something like this 
trick. that's generous and perfectly nice of them to have done. But in order 
to understand what I'm doing in a case like that, I need something more than 
a shorthand explanation that makes sense only if you already know the 
assumptions underneath it, and sometimes some of us may *not* already know 
those underlying assumptions. Okay?

As I said, thanks again for your help, and I will just presume that this 
line calls the line I'm replacing it with, even though no one said that. I 
don't say that either sarcastically or ungratefully, please understand. 
Thank you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blake Sinnett" <frequency660@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service


This is why I don't post helpful things like this. You were just trying to
help, but it causes confusion for the people who are not techies.

Now, let me explain each part of the command that will replace the default.
First, net is a service control program. Since you have jaws starting
automatically, jaws creates a service for itself. This service is called
JFWService.

Start is a switch. It tells the service control program what you want it to
do.


Finally, JFWService is the service you want started.

HTH,
Blake


From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:19:14 -0700

Christopher,

one more thing: I just went into the properties for my Jaws 8 startup
shortcuc and when I read what's already there in the target edit field, I
was reminded how much more complex that line is, including not only whatever
switch is involved but also a full path and everything, that I don't see how
the short little command below is supposed to replace all that. Just to
remind you, here are  the standard contents of that edit field:

"C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\8.0\jfw.exe" c9mplex t

I'm not sure where that " c9mplex t stuff came from; I never noticed that
string in such an edit field, before.

Point is, I'm not sure at all about replacing the original command with the
line below, unless you can reassure me that somehow the replacement line
points to the same path and filename information to launch Jaws.

Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service


OK, to have JAWS load as a service manually, open the properties for any
JAWS shortcut, either on the desktop or start menu, and in the target
field type exactly as shown:
net start jfwservice
Hope this is what you're after, and good luck!
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:17:59 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
 > Christopher,
 >
 > Thanks. Something about the way you phrased it allowed me to understand
 > better this time. I think I'll go ahead and try using that trick, after
 > all,
 > even though I never log off and back on, and don't hear anything from
 > Jaws
 > usually after I click on That Down except for the single word
 > "unavailable,"
 > which Jaws blurts out at some point. Because sometimes I have to shut
 > down
 > because some application refuses to let me exit it, and prevents me from
 > doing anything else with the computer at that point. That's when I get
 > that
 > running processes dialogue as if I'd deliberately tried to end a running
 > process using control alt delete, and it helps if Jaws is speaking at
 > that
 > point. Sometimes it is speaking in that situation and sometimes it isn't.
 > I'm partial and can see that the dialogue's there, and know from
 > experience
 > that it's the End process now? dialogue even though I can't read what it
 > says.
 >
 > Just thinking out loud. Could you give me the way to get that instruction
 > again so I can rewrite the command in my shortcut properties? May as well
 > just do it. No harm, I'm sure.
 >
 > Thanks for the patience,
 >
 > Daniel
 >
 > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:50 AM
 > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
 >
 >
 > What I was thinking is this. Say JAWS has crashed, or, like you said,
 > someone wanted to use the computer with JAWS turned off. Well, if you
 > restart JAWS in the normal way (i.e. from the original shortcut or
 > hotkey that the shortcut's assigned to), JAWS will load as an
 > application rather than a service. Now, if JAWS runs as an application,
 > it will unload during the shutdown service, meaning it won't speak
 > through the shutdown process. JAWS will also not speak when you're asked
 > for a password to log back into Windows or any other Windows-based log
 > on screen, such as the one that displays when you turn your computer
 > back on after a standby or hybernation procedure. If JAWS runs as a
 > service, however, JAWS will speak, even at the log in prompts and shut
 > down screen. So this is why I thought this tip would be very useful, so
 > that you can restart JAWS manually, and it will still speak the above.
 > Hope this clears any confusions you had.
 > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:12:08 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > said:
 > > hello.
 > >
 > > I'm not quite clear how this works. For one thing, I already have Jaws
 > > set
 > > to load on startup (isn't that as a "service?"). So, the only time I
use
 > > my
 > > shortcut (actually, I tend more often to use control alt j and not the
 > > icon,
 > > because I don't need Jaws running to find it!). But I don't understand
 > > the
 > > point of doing this. I'm missing something, maybe? Again, the only time
 > > I
 > > start Jaws manually at all is when I've exited it for some reason, like
 > > that
 > > a sighted friend's been using the computer and preferred it to be
 > > actually
 > > off, not just have the volume turned down. So they could use the Web
 > > properly, for instance, without the interference of the virtual buffer
 > > screen. Normal enough. But then, if they don't remember to restart jaws
 > > (there's a toilet seat joke in there somewhere, with screen reader
users
 > > being the female and sighted computer user friends being the males),
 > > then
 > > I
 > > just hit my shortcut key combo and it launches. And, if I shut down,
 > > next
 > > time I boot up, it loads as a service, as usual. Unless this isn't what
 > > "service" means?
 > >
 > > Okay, that's one question. The other is, if my Jaws is already loading
 > > on
 > > startup, then how come it doesn't already keep speaking all the way
 > > through
 > > the Windows shutdown sequence, until the screen goes dark?
 > >
 > > Maybe you can see the source of my confusion in my questions. I hope.
 > > Educated  me, please.
 > >
 > > Thanks.
 > > cirtual  enitrely,from the desktop or but that isn't my pointcla
 > > ----- Original Message -----
 > > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "JAWS-Users" <jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:41 AM
 > > Subject: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
 > >
 > >
 > > Hi all,
 > > I've recently discovered that there is a way to manually start JAWS as
a
 > > service using the JAWS shortcut placed on the desktop once JAWS is
 > > installed. Here's how to do it:
 > > 1. Go to the desktop with Windows M
 > > 2. Press j until JAWS <version> (where <version> is the version(s) of
 > > JAWS you've installed, such as JAWS 8.0).
 > > 3. Press alt enter to open the JAWS properties. The JAWS properties
 > > dialogue box appears, with the target edit field in focus.
 > > 4. Delete what's in the target field and type the following, exactly as
 > > shown:
 > > net start jfwservice
 > > 5. Press enter.
 > > 6. Press F5 to refresh your desktop.
 > > To test this:
 > > 1. Unload JAWS with insert F4 and enter.
 > > 2. Go to the desktop and press enter on the JAWS icon whose properties
 > > you have modified.
 > > 3. Although JAWS will load as expected, you'll notice that unlike the
 > > regular shortcut that's placed after you've installed JAWS, JAWS will
 > > speak even after you've logged off windows!
 > > Hope this tip is of some use! David, you may want to put this up on
your
 > > site for those who are interested. Enjoy!
 > > Christopher Hallsworth
 > > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > > Skype name chrishallsworth7266
 > > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > >
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