RE: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again

From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:23:00 -0700
Oops!  Actually, we did assign it on Jaws 9 on my computer, but, after I had
to reboot the computer after installing new software, it went away and won't
work any longer.  
 


Rose Combs
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of John Fioravanti
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:29 AM
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Subject: Re: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again 

  Hi: I'm using 9 and it worked fine for me. John Fioravanti
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From: "Mullins, Chris" <Chris.Mullins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:01 AM
Subject: RE: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again


>I have not had the problem with any automatically generated desktop
> icons but then again, I'm stil on Jaws 7.1.  The desctop shortcut was
> generated by the installation program, programmers can make mistakes, so
> it makes sense to me, to check that the contents correspond to the
> label.
>
> I have done a bit of testing and found that if you specify a hot key
> combination that is already being used, the setting is retained in the
> shortcut key property but will not work, as it would seem that Windows
> registers the shortcut key combination and the path to the related
> executable and this is not over-written by a new shortcut definition
> using the same key combination.  It would seem a hot key combination is
> only released by Windows when a shortcut is either deleted altogether or
> the Shortcut key property is changed to another unused key combination.
>
> This would explain your circumstances.  Alt+Control+j was not registered
> when the Jaws9 shortcut was automatically created because it was already
> being used by Jaws8.  When you manually set the shortcut property of
> Jaws8 to Alt+Control+k, this did not register either because it was
> already being used by Jaws7.
>
> To fix your situation you must first set the shortcut property of Jaws7
> to something not currently being used.  The shortcut key property of
> Jaws8 is set to alt+control+k but this will still not work because it
> has not yet been registered.  If you open up the Shortcut tab for Jaws8,
> tab down to OK and press enter, it still will not register because no
> details have changed on the screen, so the registration process is not
> triggered.  You have to change the shortcut key property to something
> else unused, OK it, then go back in and set it to alt+control+k, OK it
> again and it will now register.  To fix Jaws9, repeat what you did for
> Jaws8 but using alt+control+j.
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: 06 December 2007 00:13
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again
>
> Chris,
>
> I understand what you mean, and I know where to look for what you're
> talking about. But tell me, why would an icon recently and automatically
> created when I installed Jaws 9 have anything in its target field other
> than the path to the executable for launching that version, which I'd
> just installed and which had created that icon? How could that kind of
> problem happen? I will look, but it doesn't seem likely. Have you ever
> discovered that your automatically-created program icons pointed to the
> wrong program? If so, I'd be interested to hear how it happened and
> which icons had turned out to be messed up like this. thanks very
> much.----- Original Message ----- 
>
> There are other things I could say to express why this sounds unlikely
> to me, but that question ought to be a start.
> From: "Mullins, Chris" <Chris.Mullins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 AM
> Subject: RE: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again
>
>
> When you have gone into the Shortcut dialog, have you checked what the
> Target file edit box is referencing?  Changing the label of the icon is
> not sufficient, the Icon might be labelled Jaws9 but if the file name in
> the target edit box is in the Jaws8 folder you will load Jaws8.
> Likewise, with an icon labelled Jaws8 pointing at the Jaws7 executable.
> All a shortcut does is to simulate typing the contents of the Target
> edit box into the Run dialog and pressing enter.
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: 05 December 2007 06:37
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> Subject: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again
>
> the topic of how to successfully set a hotkey for launching Jaws has
> come up repeatedly over the past year, as Versions 8, and now 9, seem to
> be troublesome for a lot of users in this respect. Well, I was doing
> okay with version 8 for a while after finally getting a hotkey
> assignment to stick (I forget how, exactly), but now I've installed
> Version 9 and it's even stranger than before.
>
> First of all, let me make it clear that I basically know how to do this.
> At least I know how to do it for any other application that's
> represented by an icon on my desktop. Select the icon, press the context
> menu key (right side of spacebar, to left of Control key) and choose
> properties. Tab, and you're in the edit field for establishing a hotkey.
> You don't even have to bother pressing control and alt, because that's
> the standard combination and Jaws will insert that for you. All you have
> to do is press the letter key you'd like to use.
>
> Then you hear Jaws read the edit box, and it'll say something like
> Control Alt J. Which is what you wanted. You tab down to OK, press
> Enter, and there you go.
>
> Well, since Jaws 8, everyone's had to do all sorts of acrobatics to use
> this feature. Advice floats around like urban myths. Use this letter but
> not that letter. It's okay to tab away from the field, but don't tab
> back to it or what you entered will disappear. Or don't tab at all, just
> press Enter. If you tab further into the dialogue, it will delete your
> entry. And so forth.
>
> Now, none of that ought to be necessary, of course, and it didn't used
> to be. Until Jaws 8. But whatever.
>
> Now it's really interesting. I actually managed to set Control Insert J
> for my new Jaws 9, and changed my hotkey for Jaws 8 to Control Alt K,
> just in case I need to use it.
>
> And both settings stayed set, which I thought was a good sign. But now,
> if I exit Jaws 9 to see if restarting it will stop a bad behavior (don't
> ask) and then press Control Alt J, what comes up but, yep, Jaws 8. I
> went to the Desktop and rechecked. yes, everything is still set just as
> I set it. But it's working the wrong way.
>
> Ah, here's a thought, just for the heck of it. Let me exit Jaws 9, then
> hotkey Control Alt key and see if it actually *also* brings up Jaws 8
> or, maybe, launches Jaws 9, so that it's all backward. Hang on..
> Nope. Control Alt K brings up Jaws 7, which is what it used to do before
> I changed everything around. And if I go into the properties for the
> Jaws 7 icon, it says it has no hot key, just as I'd think it would.
> Nonetheless, it's as if Jaws 7 is still K, Jaws 8 is still J, and Jaws 9
> has no hotkey.
> none of which is what properties say.
>
> Has anyone been through this, or anything like it? I've tried this
> repeatedly but can't get these hotkeys to behave correctly. Out of
> ideas.
>
> thanks.
>
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References:
- RE: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again
  - From: Mullins, Chris
- Re: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again
  - From: John Fioravanti
RE: The old Jaws hotkey issue, again

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