Re: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon"

  • From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:45:09 -0700

ha, very funny, more of us pay, or must take over paying and paying and paying than you seem to think 


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon"



I do not why do you claim about the upgrades of jaws, pay or not pay?
Almost of you receibe the software completely free, from diferents agencies or blind federations. Only a few people really pay the full price of the screen reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: RE: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon"



How much is it to purchase jfw anyways? I ran out of SMA's.
I'm gunna try and stay up to date.
I hope its not an arm and a leg because if it is. I am S.O.L cuzz the pay
here at the school district sucks lol.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon"
I think there are valid points on both sides of the argument. All I have to say is that Freedom Scientific has made some bad Jaws upgrades that cost us money, but with the relatively small blind population, they need to put paid 
upgrades out so that they can have the funding to keep improving the
product. Otherwise there wouldn't be money to make the good upgrades that we 
all like.  Just my two sense worth

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon"
tim, my point exactly. the upgrades are just a money grab and we the blind 
are victims of this highway robbery. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <tim@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon" 



But are the upgrades for JAWS really significant upgrades? From what I
have heard there was virtually nothing worth upgrading to version 12 for. A new version is put out every year which seems a bit much in my opinion. 
I think Freedom Scientific is doing this to its customers simply because
it can. Put quite simply: if you can take someone's money why stop at only 


taking some of their money. Freedom Scientific wants to see lots of
dollars falling from the money tree which they seem to think I have
growing in my backyard. This chosen method of doing sales along with the
reauthorization code nightmare foisted upon its customers have caused me
to switch to Window Eyes. Now I am truly free and quite happy about it.

Tim
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: Paying for skipped versions of jaws; was "the virtual ribbon"
Before we indict JAWS for predation against the blind, we probably should 
step back a little.  Freedom Scientific's practice of requiring all
interim versions to be brought up to date is not uncommon at all in
vertical markets. Oracle does essentially the same thing. So long as the 


customer has a "maintenance agreement" in effect, the customer gets
upgrades for free -- plus technical support.
Once the maintenance agreement lapses, to get the current version, there
is a "catch-up" payment required. In fact, that's pretty much standard in 


vertical market software.
I'm using the term "vertical market software" to mean something other than 


off-the-shelf shrink-wrap-licensed software like Microsoft Office.
Even Microsoft Office has a vertical market type model for enterprise
customers.
So, I think the real argument is not whether Freedom Scientific is preying 


on the blind, as one might be led to believe, but rather whether the
vertical market model or the off-the-shelf model for software licensing is 


more appropriate.
I'm not trying to defend anyone; just trying to be fair to all.

As long as you

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 


Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:52 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: the virtual ribbon
cy I agree with you and believe the blind are being penalized big time. I ask myself, would a seeing person put up with this. why could you not just 
purchase the current version. why do you have to pay for older versions
you
did not even want or need. Karen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: the virtual ribbon



It is funny that FS handles Open Book updates differently.
Regardless of how many versions you are behind the cost is, I believe,
only
$150 to get current.
Several years ago I had to bring my JAWS up to date and I think it was
something like $500.
What a bunch of nonsense.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:15 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: the virtual ribbon

i too did not update so thought i would not have to pay for something i
did
not use. found out different when charged four hundred and fifty dollars. 
i
had to pay for the new update plus the ones i did not use. buyer beware. 
who

said life was fair. karen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Thullen" <gdandet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: the virtual ribbon



I strongly urge you to buy the SMA if at all possible.  I skipped a
version



and the cost was ridiculous.  Don't forget, the more versions you skip,
the



more money it costs.  As freedomscientific told me "just because you
didn't



upgrade, didn't mean that technology didn't move on."

Dawn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: the virtual ribbon



Alan,

You'll likely wait until you're in a pine box if you hope to get the
bugs
out. Cynically speaking (as I'm always reluctant to do) each new
version
will have new bugs and some old bugs remaining, ad infinitum .

And in case you're not aware, failure to renew an SMA before a major
version
comes out will cost you a whole heck of a lot more money. I'll let
other
chime in on their experience. My advice is to purchase the SMA for 12
and



13
and wait for 13. I skipped version 10, for example, as it made me ill. 

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 14:20
Subject: the virtual ribbon


Dear Kenny,
Thanks very much for that kind offer, but I only have JAWS 11.

I suppose I need to look at getting JAWS 12, but since I do not have
any
more  SMA's,  and I am hoping they will get all the bugs out of that
version
before I purchase it, well I will wait a bit more!
Besides, I understand that the "virtual ribbon" is not a total "fix", 
it
only helps out a bit, is that correct?

Wow, I have been using the JAWS Menu bars since 1999, with JAWS 3.3!

And although I feel I am making a little progress getting the hang of
it,



I
see it will be a slow learning curb!
A completely different thing!

Thanks again!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Peyatt" <p.wildcat1234@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: the virtual ribbon



Hi allan The virtual ribbon is a jaws 12 feature. To turn it on in
jaws
12
You go to the setttings center. If you like I can connect to your
computer
through jaws tandom and activate the feature for you.
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