Re: Outlook 2007, JAWS 11

  • From: "ms gilkerson" <gilkerson2730@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:15:15 -0500

I currently use outlook 2003 an I use Jaws 9.  

If you are in outlook and you are moving from one folder to another, I notice 
in my own experience that jaws will still be speaking the message you were on 
in the previous folder.  Also, when you return to that folder it will be right 
where you left off.  In outlook express, for example, it will start at the top 
of the list in that particular folder. 


Victoria E. Gilkerson 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Carlson 
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: Outlook 2007, JAWS 11


  Cy,

  Good point on JAWS being slow reporting the status.

  Dave

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Cy Selfridge 
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 06:17
    Subject: RE: Outlook 2007, JAWS 11


    Hi,

    Outlook 2007 goes farther than just sorting order. Almost everything is 
controlled by folder - much to my great surprise. (LOLLOLLOL)

    Once you get used to 2007 it is not all bad - but - you need to take time 
and be absolutely sure where you are because there seems to be some sort of lag 
with what JAWS reports (that's JAWS 11) and what is actually going on.

    When you change folders JAWS will initially report the number of entries in 
the *last* folder you were in and not the current one. (HMM?)

    I am running Windows 7, latest build, Office 2007 on a 64 bit HP Pavilion 
laptop.

    As was pointed out be *very* careful how you go from folder to folder 
because you may well wind up in lala land and about the only reprieve is to 
quit Outlook and fire it back up again.

    Cy, The Anasazi

     

    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Sue B
    Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:00 AM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Outlook 2007, JAWS 11

     

    Adrian,

    The messages are still in what ever order you had them in originally. I 
keep mine in order by date received so that the newest ones are at the top. The 
method I'm describing isn't related to the sorting of the list. And you are 
correct that Outlook doesn't generalize the sort order of folders. You have to 
set it for each folder.

    None of these things are specific to JAWS. But the fact of using JAWS makes 
the design of Outlook cumbersome. 

    Sue B.

    On 4/13/2010 8:02 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote: 

    Sue, 

     

    If I understand your suggestion correctly the result is that you are no 
longer presented with grouping options. What, then, are you left with? How are 
the messages organized after you do this?

     

    Here's a related question. The messages in my inbox are ordered the way I'm 
accustomed to, with the most recent on the bottom. In another folder where I 
direct messages from this list, they're also organized chronologically, but 
this time the most recent message is on top. In yet a third folder, all the 
messages I've sent appear first, and only then do other people's messages 
appear in chronological order from top to bottom. Telling Outlook to group by 
date doesn't change either of these last two folders. Is there a way to gain 
consistency throughout the folders? does the method you describe accomplish 
this?

     

    I hope most of these concerns will be seen as JAWS issues. A person looking 
at an Outlook screen will see right away what is happening and what is needed. 
JAWS doesn't make the process intuitive, but the suggestions I've received from 
listers have helped me greatly in using JAWS to navigate the application. 

     


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    From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Sue B
    Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:17 AM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Outlook 2007, JAWS 11

     

    Another way to deal with switching folders in Outlook is to press CTRL + Y. 
This is the Go To Folder Command. You select the folder you want to go to from 
the list and then press ENTER. That lands you in that folder's list of 
messages. That business about having to select the folder by pressing ENTER if 
you go to the folder list tree view with F6 isn't a JAWS problem, it is just 
the way that Outlook 2007 behaves, very inconveniently.

    Also, there is a way to turn off all that grouping nonsense. When you are 
in the Inbox, pull down the View menu with ALT + V. Go down to Customize 
Current view and open that selection's sub-menu. Then select Customize Current 
View. This puts a dialog box on the screen with a number of buttons in it. TAB 
to the one labeled: Group By and click it with the SPACEBAR. Now the Group By 
dialog is on the screen. The first control is a Checkbox called: Automatically 
Group according to arrangement. Uncheck that check box. and then press ENTER. 
You'll be back to the Customize View: Messages dialog. TAB to the OK Button and 
click it and your done. The messages no longer tell you that they are grouped 
by date or last week or any of that mess.

    Sue B.

    On 4/13/2010 12:02 AM, Dave Carlson wrote: 

    Becky,

     

    Adrian points out something that I failed to mention. Outlook (unlike 
Outlook Express) is rather weird in how the folders and lists inside the 
folders are navigated. Not sure if this is a function of how JAWS does or does 
not work, but it's worth mentioning.

     

    In Outlook 2007 (and I believe to a similar extent 2003) you would be 
better off using F6 to jump back/forth between the folder view and the list 
view. One reason is that using Tab will get you all scrambled up in a set of 
query buttons and edit fields and it's hard to get out.

     

    So use F6 to jump between the list view and the folder view.

     

    Now here's where JAWS seems to not help us much:

     

    You're in the Inbox, and looking at your messages.

    You press f6 to go to the folder view and you're sitting on the inbox 
folder.

    You arrow down to another folder such as Sent Items.

    You press F6 and you end up in the inbox list again.

     

    What happens is that Outlook does not change the list view just because you 
move to another folder in the folder view.

     

    Here's what you need to learn to do:

     

    In the folder view, when you want to do anything with a folder (such as 
look at the contents or delete it) you absolutely must press the Enter key on 
the folder.

    Then you will automatically be in the list for that folder.

     

    That's how to go to a different folder.

     

    Perhaps this is why you've "lost" your messages?

     

    Dave

     

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Becky Tsurumoto 

      To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

      Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 17:41

      Subject: Outlook 2007, JAWS 11

       

      Hello,

       

      I went through my options for handling email.

      Auto save in Inbox is checked, but my read messages still disappear from 
the Inbox after exiting Outlook.

       

      I created one new folder.  My read messages are not in the new folder or 
anywhere else.

       

      Becky

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