Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in Notepad

Hi,
I spent hours testing with verification   to clarify that
5.0884 reads   inconsistently double reading some  numbers while tripple
reading others andthat
4.5 1 a version I  prefer reads half the  number skipping numbers after the
decimal point.
I only regret  I did not copy in advance F s's claims on
Freedom SCientific' site when JAWS 5 was first released  tauting the feature
to make reading of
"financial data"  their words.easy.

Yesterday, I read 2000 numbers with visual verification. The  overall
accuracy rate of JAWS between the 2 versions was around 90-92%.
Allthough 4.5 1 was harder to use, 5.0884 was  quite inconsistent in how it
read in Office X P.   the  inconsistency involved  numbers like
1.23  2.3 4  3.45 .56 7.58 12 .65 etc due to the repetitions of same number
which could be falsely assumed to  be a totally "different"  number located
*to the right* when it was the number where JAWS was reading repeatedly in
Office X P with 5.0884.

Ever sinceI raised this issue and spoke with the F S representative inJune
and wrote this list, I  have heard from  many  people who use numbers to
make a  living who hoped for a solution.

i met face to face with a representative of F S in July  who told me that
financial data would be read using the
read entire number feature and I saw this claim on the F S site twice and
foolishly did not save it for occasions likethis one.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in
Notepad


> Hello everyone:
> I think that in all fairness, we need to clarify what this command was
> designed to do.
> What it was designed for was to allow you to skip long strings of numbers
> like IP addresses with a single keystroke.
>
> For example, if you've added these new commands, you could read the line
>
> "My computer uses the ip address 192.168.135.3 to communicate with the
> internet."
>
> as a single line, or you could use your next and previous word keys to get
> to the number and then use the appropriate
> "NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit"
> OR
> "NumericDataSayPriorAsSingleUnit"
> key to skip the IP address.
>
>
> This can be found on the JFW 5.0  page
>
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws5fea.asp#newingeneral
> under heading level 2
> New in General
>
> heading level 3 New Navigation Scripts Added
>
>
>
> New Navigation Scripts Added
>
> Two new commands have been added, which you can assign in Keyboard
Manager.
> The Scripts found in the default file are called:
> NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit
> And
> NumericDataSayPriorAsSingleUnit
> Long names, but here's the short of it:
> If you have a long word filled with numbers and punctuation, such as an IP
> address or stock quote, press one of these keystrokes to move forward or
> backward
> past the whole unit. It can make navigating in such material much quicker
> and easier to understand. Remember that these keystrokes are not assigned,
> you
> must assign them yourself. They are named as they are so you can easily
find
> them in Keyboard Manager located in the Default file.
> We recommend that you assign these to new keystrokes such as:
> CTRL+JAWSKey+RIGHT or LEFT ARROW respectively.
>
> These were in answer to a question posed by users who needed a way to
> quickly skip past a whole series of digits and punctuation. If you're not
> using Braille,
> doing so was quite long and exhausting before. There is a new TSN posted
to
> explain this for anyone with 4.51 that would like to add it to that
version.
> Does this clarify the situation?
> *******                                      MQ
> *******
> ******* Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mickeyqu *******
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: read entire number fails in Notepad
>
>
> > ah, in that case, you need to do a bit of work.  If you have jaws 5.0,
you
> > should be enable it easily as well if you have the 4.51 patch.  To
enable
> > it, you need to go to keyboard manager , make sure you are in default,
> press
> > tab and press n till you hear numeric data say next and then press
ctrl+a
> > and assign a keystroke.  jaws key+ctrl+ right arrow is recommended.
Click
> > ok and continue down the list to numeric data say previous, press ctrl+a
> and
> > assign ctrl+jaws key+ left arrow to that one.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: read entire number fails in Notepad
> >
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am getting confused.  If you just go into notpad and turn keyboard
help
> > on, the keystroke
> > CTRL+INSERT+UP EROW ISN'T DEFINED.
> > *******
> > What do you expect it to do?  Please help me, as I'm sure I'm missing
> > something here.
> > MQ                                               *******
> > ******* Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mickeyqu *******
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:12 PM
> > Subject: read entire number fails in Notepad
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > With JAWS 5  update and 4.51, if one copies a Word X P document into
> > > Notepad,
> > > control insert arrow keystroke fails.
> > > Also, using insert arrow with  numbers below "1"   like .59  or .51
> > renders
> > > the  following across a line of such numbers
> > > point point point point point
> > > as insignificant  numbers after decimals are not even read at all.
> > > If  numbers bigger than 1 are   read--and that is not my experience-- 
,
> > that
> > > does  not make up for those that aren't read. .
> > > Control insert arrows did not read  numbers with whole number followed
> by
> > > decimal and number like 1.34 in Notepad.
> > >
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