Hi: Just my two cents. I use hotmail every day with JAWS 4.1 and with JAWS 5.0. I have had no problems whatsoever. If, however, navigating the web site is difficult for you, you might consider setting up your hotmail account in Outlook Express. Then you can send, receive, and read all of your messages, as well as perform all of the other functhios you might want to perform with your email without ever accessing the site itself. Just a suggestion. Regards, Seth Leblond Beyond Sight Sales and Technical Support Phone: (303) 795-6455, EXT. 102 Web Site: <http://www.beyondsight.com> -----Original Message----- From: Earle [mailto:e.zwicker@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:46 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: New Hotmail format bad for JFW I'm using Jaws 5, and I agree that the new layout has been designed poorly, but for a free service, it isn't too bad. I don't like having to shift-tab back to the send link, but I can live with that. As far as emptying folders, in Jaws 5, it'll tell you that the empty option, is clickable, and you can hit enter on it. Having said all this, I really don't use the web site often enough to have problems. I normally check my hotmail with outlook express. Overall, the web site is doable, but it definitely could have been designed a lot better. Earle Email: e.zwicker@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web Site: www.earles-place.com Msn: rowdyamerican@xxxxxxxxxxx Aim: Rowdyamerican28 Yahoo Messenger: Rowdyamerican ICQ: 155852055 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Clendinen" <alanclendinen@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: re: New Hotmail format bad for JFW Hello listers, Several of you responded to my original message by suggesting I upgrade to JFW 5.0. I have the 5.0 CD, but due to the numerous bugs reported by JFW list members, I have decided to wait for some patches before switching to 5.x. Some of you have confused JFW 3.7 with 3.7U. I'm using 3.7U, which is far less buggy than JFW 5.0. Another list member asked what version of Internet Explorer I'm using. I'm using version 5.5, which is the most recent version that is compatible with JFW 3.7U. Until a few days ago, I had no problems with accessing all aspects of Hotmail. The problems I described are caused by Microsoft's "enhancement" of Hotmail. Somebody else wrote that they were going to switch their students to Yahoo e-mail. Ha! Yahoo is even less accessible to JFW. I'd like to know from JFW 5.0 users who have accessed Hotmail through their browsers since Microsoft made the format changes, if they have encountered the same problems I described in my previous message. Only one of the problems might be fixed by upgrading to JFW 5.0 and IE 6, and that would be the graphical "empty junkmail" control that replaced the JFW-friendly button. The other problems I described will not be fixed by JFW 5.0. They are design flaws...er... "features" of the new Hotmail. Regards, Alan I wrote: Hello listers, Have any of you that have a Hotmail account had problems with the latest format of Hotmail? For example, if you go to the junkmail folder, there used to be a button labeled "Empty junkmail folder." Now, however, there is no such button, and they have replaced it with some text that reads, "Empty Junkmail" and to the left of the text, there is a graphic. I'm using JFW 3.7U, and my attempts to route the JAWS cursor to the pc cursor so I can click on that graphic are leaving me frustrated. I've only managed to do it once out of several attempts. Hotmail has also eliminated the convenient links that were displayed after logging in. These links would tell you the number of messages in your inbox without having to go to the inbox. Now you have no choice but to go there to see if you've got messages. Hotmail has also made sending messages more inconvenient. It used to have a "Send" button that could be reached with a single tab after typing your message. Now, you have to go back to the message header to click on the send. Bottom line? The "new and improved Hotmail" is a big step backwards in screen-reader accessibility. Alan To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.