I agree with you, the web interface is akward but in terms of accessability Earthlink's web interface is great. -----Original Message----- From: Edward Marquette [mailto:emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:32 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: New Hotmail format bad for JFW Don't blame you for staying away from 5.0. Version 4.51, however, does not seem to have the hosts of bugs that 5.0 does. Then, I don't use Hotmail. Web-based mail really stinks, at least all the Web-based mail I have tried, and my opinion is not necessarily based on accessibility issues. The interface is just awkward. Ed Marquette 930 West 34th St. Kansas City, MO 64111 (816) 561- 7111 -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Clendinen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:16 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: re: New Hotmail format bad for JFW Hello listers, Several of you responded to my original message by suggesting I upgrade to JFW 5.0. I have the 5.0 CD, but due to the numerous bugs reported by JFW list members, I have decided to wait for some patches before switching to 5.x. Some of you have confused JFW 3.7 with 3.7U. I'm using 3.7U, which is far less buggy than JFW 5.0. Another list member asked what version of Internet Explorer I'm using. I'm using version 5.5, which is the most recent version that is compatible with JFW 3.7U. Until a few days ago, I had no problems with accessing all aspects of Hotmail. The problems I described are caused by Microsoft's "enhancement" of Hotmail. Somebody else wrote that they were going to switch their students to Yahoo e-mail. Ha! Yahoo is even less accessible to JFW. I'd like to know from JFW 5.0 users who have accessed Hotmail through their browsers since Microsoft made the format changes, if they have encountered the same problems I described in my previous message. Only one of the problems might be fixed by upgrading to JFW 5.0 and IE 6, and that would be the graphical "empty junkmail" control that replaced the JFW-friendly button. The other problems I described will not be fixed by JFW 5.0. They are design flaws...er... "features" of the new Hotmail. Regards, Alan I wrote: Hello listers, Have any of you that have a Hotmail account had problems with the latest format of Hotmail? For example, if you go to the junkmail folder, there used to be a button labeled "Empty junkmail folder." Now, however, there is no such button, and they have replaced it with some text that reads, "Empty Junkmail" and to the left of the text, there is a graphic. I'm using JFW 3.7U, and my attempts to route the JAWS cursor to the pc cursor so I can click on that graphic are leaving me frustrated. I've only managed to do it once out of several attempts. Hotmail has also eliminated the convenient links that were displayed after logging in. These links would tell you the number of messages in your inbox without having to go to the inbox. Now you have no choice but to go there to see if you've got messages. Hotmail has also made sending messages more inconvenient. It used to have a "Send" button that could be reached with a single tab after typing your message. Now, you have to go back to the message header to click on the send. Bottom line? The "new and improved Hotmail" is a big step backwards in screen-reader accessibility. Alan To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.