Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E

  • From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:51:48 -0700

Chris,
You're not whining. This problem just happens to be yet another glitch else 
that happens to me with Jaws 8 that I simply don't happen to have mentioned 
in my posts about the version's shortcomings. With some frequency, I load a 
Web page  and the status line in IE makes me quite certain that the page has 
opened just fine, and then Jaws will speak maybe one bit of text from the 
page which I can't move off with any navigational keystrokes. Refreshing the 
page has no effect, and only when I reload the page does Jaws usually start 
behaving normally. At first, I thought maybe I'd caused this to happen by 
pressing some navigational keystroke too quickly before the page had fully 
loaded, but now that it's happened to me a bunch of times, I realize that 
this never caused Jaws to go silent (blank buffer effect) in Jaws 7.

So anyway, Chris, there's another one, another bad jaws 8 glitch among many 
others. I recognize that there's a core of vocal listers who keep saying 
pleasantly that they have no problems at all with their Jaws 8 on their 
computers, and of course I believe them. But I'm not such a computer novice 
or Jaws newbie that I can't confidently assert that a whole host of things 
go wrong with Jaws 8 when I'm using it, including this adorable little 
quirk. What I do know is it isn't my fault. Whatever Jaws 8 is having 
trouble with on my computer is stuff it should be able to handle. Instead, 
it simply doesn't work right while Jaws 7.0 is still dependable and quick 
and responsive for me.

And, as I've said earlier to Allen, since FS now seems to come out with a 
new version every autumn, it's not much more than six months until this 
doesn't matter any more and we'll have yet another update. Now, I confess I 
haven't yet moved to Vista, and don't feel particularly interested to do 
that as long as everything I need continues working just as is, under Win XP 
Home. So while I appreciate this business of Jaws 8 hustling to become 
compatible with Vista, none of those things are of any help to me at the 
moment, and none, literally none of my Jaws 8 issues have been fixed.

No, correction. One has, something I reported early on to FS and they 
claimed not to believe was their responsibility. Soon after I installed Jaws 
8, many of these problems became apparent to me and I called FS tech support 
to ask if I could rectify them in some way or if they should fix something 
themselves. See, Bruce? I called. I didn't just whine on the list.

The problem was that when I had a couple of applications open at once--  
let's say I was working in Word, had my browser open so I could do research, 
and had Outlook Express up so I could do email-- and I alt tabbed around the 
task bar from one to the other, Jaws would cause the transition from one 
application to another to involve a long, long (several seconds) silent 
waiting period before the next application would appear and speak. Jaws was 
somehow keeping the transition from happening quickly, not just being silent 
while it happened (I'm partially sighted and could see that I wasn't getting 
the screen for the app I was alt tabbing to).

I called, they said they didn't know what I meant and had never heard of 
this. Well, this is the one and only issue I noticed they brag about having 
remedied with the last update I downloaded, that .1177 or whatever it is. 
This doesn't exactly give me confidence that the left hand of FS knows what 
the right hand is doing.

Okay, enough. As I keep saying, I've given up on Jaws 8 and will satisfy 
myself using Jaws 7 for the time being. Too much stuff goes wrong with 8. 
But it's hard not to resent such a lemon version.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E


the one thing I didn't see addressed is this  issue with blank
virtual buffers.  in other words, let's say you go to google.  JAWS
acts as if there's nothing there, and the only way to get it to read
properly is to keep reloading the website until JAWS gets it right.
Now unless I missed something, I didn't see one single word
mentioning this issue, and I know lots of people reported it.  but
instead of ffixing that, we get these nice little toys like the
say-all with Sapi 5, different voices for different fonts,  and just
coming up with fixes as if they aren't even paying any attention.

I'm sorry if I sound a bit whiny in this post, but I've been watching
FS over the last little while, and it's as if they're in their own
little neighborhood. they put these fixes in for their own products,
instead of fixing the issues that are more important to myself and a
lot of others too.  FS makes a fantastic screenreader, which is why I
keep using it.  But lately, it's as if they just have this I don't
care attitude about fixing the more pressing issues. or fixing things
that the other screenreader vendors have already had fixed for months.
sigh.




At 08:24 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:
>Not sure but the list of fixes mentioned them and they were supposedly 
>fixed.
>
>Rick
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:12 PM
>Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>
>
>>what on earth is a "bad font"? And where does one encounter such things?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricque" <ricjustice@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>>
>>
>>The install here whent without a hitch as well,
>>but the problem of Jaws saying "badfont" still remains.
>>Richard Justice
>>www.blind-computing.com
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mitchell" <dmitch44@xxxxxxx>
>>To: "jfw list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:51 PM
>>Subject: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>>
>>
>>>Hi,  The install of the new 8.0 upgrade went without a hitch.
>>>However after restarting, the usual shortcut keystrokes of control  plus 
>>>N
>>>for new message and Control plus f for forwarding a message result in a
>>>script error.
>>>It is necessary now to use the file menu to perform these tasks.
>>>Anyone else having this trouble?
>>>As the Father of one of my friends was fond of saying: "If it isn't one
>>>thing, it's two."  Mitch
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