Curmudgeon, I'm pretty ignorant about how to determine which programs that are running as services can be deleted from that list without ill effect. But there are people who do know more about it. If not on this list then possibly on something like the NFB-hosted GUI-Talk list and others. Might be worthwhile to go to www.nfbnet.org , look under the link for mailing lists, and perhaps subscribe to the GUI-Talk list or one of the others, which often have among their subscribers a fair number of computer professionals who are astute about stuff like this. hope this helps a bit. Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "curmudgeon" <one2three4five6@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP in services, depending which one one looks at, on my system, are, 86 or 93 services, running in the back ground like: clip book, not remembering what some one told me what this is, was, set to run automatically remote access, networking this is a personal home, computer which will never be networked so why have remote access run automatically, fax, I don't fax anything nor do I plan to just to name a few, warning warning I have go back, from norton with this new xp computer turning off some services there are so, many that i do not understand and the name is so, cryptic that on occaision i was able to turn off something off that was critical and only because i had go back was able to recover what ever i had just done to cripple my computer such as turn the sound off ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP Just out of curiousity, what sorts of things have you discovered to be running in the background that someone else might not have on their system? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "curmudgeon" <one2three4five6@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP will try tabbing to see the diference, 240 ram free, on your machine which means there are fewer things running in the back ground, than,, on mine, and i am losing the battle trying to, turning off, things that don't need to be on ----- Original Message ----- and i agree, about the crashes, on the system that had, 98, and had xp put over it, there are more serious problems, save what they can and format may be the best soulution From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP Hi, In the interim, another lister provided me with directions, and I found this information easily, using only the tab key at the last to move into the area, and without any need to use the Jaws cursor or the Insert B command. The information just read straight up and down, item by item. Thank you for this explanation, nonetheless. Everything's is fine now. Incidentally,, my own memory allocation statistics don't confirm the numerous suggestions in this thread that insufficient memory is one of the most predictable and likely culprits in a scenario involving certain kinds of system hangings and crashes: On my own XP Home SP2 system,Out of my 512 Mb physical RAM, with Jaws, Word, Outlook Express and Internet Explorer all running, and a fair-sized document loaded into Word, I still had 240 Mb RAM free. From time to time I, too, have had crashes, though they exclusively have involved the application Audible Manager. As I've said, I don't think insufficient RAM is necessarily the best, first guess as to the cause of this kind of malfunction. Daniel , ----- Original Message ----- From: "curmudgeon" <one2three4five6@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:34 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP after entering on system information, you are presented with a page, with your system information, mine is, System Information File Edit View Tools Help System Summary Item Value Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Components Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600 Software Environment OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Name YOUR-AT5QGAAC3ZInternet Settings System Manufacturer HP Pavilion 061Applications System Model DW230A-ABA a500n System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 6 Model 10 Stepping 0 AuthenticA BIOS Version/Date Phoenix Technologies, LTD 3.03, 2/9/2004 SMBIOS Version 2.3 Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2 Locale United States Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040 User Name YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z\Owner Time Zone Pacific Standard Time Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB Available Physical Memory 128.37 MB Find what: Find Close Find Search selected category only Search category names only insert b, will read all the info, or, route jaws to pc then, insert down arrow to read yours or, then page down and when you up arrow it should read near the bottom of this page is where the info is about your ram, if it is not there up or down arrow with the jaws routed to pc cursor until you hear the scrol down symbol insert right or left arrow until you are on the scrol down symbol, this is where, those mouser's people who use the mouse would click to scroll down the page to expand it then try up arrowing to see if the info about your ram is showing on the rare occaision the info was not there the first time i go to someone's computer and check the info about how much ram is available good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP I followed your directions, but I couldn't find a listing for the state of my system's memory. The last part of your directions must be the problem for me; there are a number of tabs in this function. The first one is General. Is that where you recommend pressing Page Down, and then arrowing up through a list? To what? Please look at this again and, if you left out a step or some description, please explain. I'd like to be able to check my memory situation. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "curmudgeon" <one2three4five6@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP when you go to system tools under accessories to system information route jaws to pc page down and then, up arrow how much ram is free? when I start my monster up on any given day there is usually around 200 ram free and most days i don't run out of ram with 512 to start with but lately,with the last 2 versions of jaws there are times when jaws freezes up maybe from opening too many programs up, and even after shutting them off opening up openbook, then maybe burning a cd, then using omni page in word to scan a another document etc etc some programs don't give back the ram they used i have been told ms word is one of them that don't give back the ram when you close it and the only solution is to shut down and restart my technician, says, i am crazy and more ram isn't gonna do anything for me except cost me some mo money I am not sure whether adding more ram will help or not and I miss the three finger salute of my 98 machine and being able to run a repair on internet explorer when things get sluggish or stop in the middle of a session but i don't miss the blue screen of death with xp i don't get but in the last couple of weeks my computer has restarted twice in the middle of downloading music, and doing other things while it was busy and have no idea what caused the crash if, you do decide to get more ram, please keep us informed if it solves the problems From: "George Marshall" <geom4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP Hi curmudgeon: I have 512 megs of memory on this Intel processor with XP home. Do you think it would more stable if I added another 512, I haven't ran your cleanup suggestions yet but will do so in the next day or so. Thanks, George R. Marshall geom4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Marshall" <geom4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP Thanks a lot I will try your suggestions. George R. Marshall geom4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "curmudgeon" <one2three4five6@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Multiple crashes with XP i'd try go into my computer highlite your hard drive alt enter to bring up properties control tab to tools enter on check for errors but, tab around and check both check boxes enter on ok you will be told you must restart your computer to run the check errors press ok and then restart your computer and let it run a full system check for errors it may take 20 or 30 40 minutes to run, also, do a thorough cleaning out of temp files disk clean up in properties go into your hard drive into windows p for prefetch delete them they are more temp files go into control panel internet options delete cookies, temp files, off line files, delete history run a defragg whether it says it needs it or not i would go to www.google.com/ie type in cleanup the first choice will be a microsoft utility called cleanup. exe down load it install it and run it it will delete the hidden temp files that are hiding in your computer after it runs do not restart your computer yet like the pop up says to tab to no then route jaws to pc page down then up arrow to see how much space has been recovered from how many files then restart your system ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Parent" <mslparent25@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: RE: Multiple crashes with XP Hi, Well, if it makes you feel better, I have the same setup with Intel and am having crashes. Linda Parent -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Marshall Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:10 PM To: jfw Subject: Multiple crashes with XP Hi: I am running Xp home on a 3.5 Intel processor with 512 megs of memory with JAWS 6.0, with service pack 2. I am getting lots of crashes in various programs. I upgraded from 98(SE). I wonder if JAWS 6.0 is at fault? If anyone could give me any advice I would appreciate it. One more does anyone know the name of the log that shows what caused the crash and where it is located? Thanks, George R. Marshall geom4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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