Trying and succeeding, thanks! Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > Judith, > No, it isn't clearer. Because there isn't the sort of connection between > Word and the Jaws pronunciation dictionary that you're thinking. If you > happened to add the word chaiim to the Word dictionary during a spell check, > the only effect of that would be that the spell checker in Word would no > longer catch this as a misspelling and offer you a list of alternatives > beginning with "chain." > > this has nothing at all to do with Jaws. Now when Jaws comes across > "chaiim," it will continue to say what you just heard. Jaws doesn't know if > it's misspelled, or foreign, or English. It doesn't have any judgment about > it at all. It's just a string of letters for which Jaws' only phonetic > rendering is likely to sound like "chain" with an "m" at the end instead of > an "n." > > I think there's some conceptual misunderstanding going on here. I'm sorry > this sounds complicated, because really it isn't. Jaws is only concerned > with converting characters to phonetic renderings within its capabilities in > English. Or Spanish, or whatever. But there isn't even any trick you could > play on Jaws in the dictionary to make it say the "ch" sound in Hebrew, > Yiddish, Russian or any other language. Because that phonetic unit simply > isn't in English, doesn't exist. > > Trying to be helpful. God knowsI'm trying... > > Daniel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > > > >I understand but the sounds in foreign languages are not the sounds in > > English. I do a lot of work that involves Hebrew words and the sound that > > makes you laugh is the pronounciation of the combination "ch". In Hebrew > > that combination is a gutteral sound but in English it is just the letter > > combination in words such as "chain". I could probably dig around and > > find > > something that would sound like the Hebrew but when I go back to English > > the > > combination would sound atrocious! I understand that Word is the word > > processing program and jaws is the verbal program but the two are > > interdependent when it comes to identifying a word. Is this any clearer? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > > > > > >> Hi Judith, > >> I simply don't even know anything about there being multiple > >> pronunciation > >> dictionaries in jaws, which appears to be what you're talking about. Am > >> I > >> right? I don't know if there are multiple pronunciation dictionaries. > >> Maybe someone else does. It sounds unlikely, but I don't know. > >> > >> I was trying to get you to distinguish between Jaws and Word. MS Word is > >> your word processing program. Its dictionaries are the databases that > > Word > >> refers to when you run its spell check program. This has nothing to do > > with > >> how Jaws pronounces things. Am I misunderstanding your question, still? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:00 AM > >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> > >> > >> > If you can use the multiple dictionaries together can you set M. to say > >> > Mosieur in French and in English it is just "m."? I'm talking about > > them > >> > running simultaneously. Then how would jaws know what language you are > >> > using at any given time? For example, if you had a statement in your > >> > document, "M. Pratt went to the opera." Would jaws recognize that you > >> > were > >> > speaking French when the M. was followed by a surname? Then what would > >> > happen with our statement, "I at a sandwich of peanut butter and jam."? > >> > Is > >> > this clear? > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:01 PM > >> > Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> > > >> > > >> >> Judith, > >> >> > >> >> There is an option to use multiple dictionaries in Word for spell > >> > checking. > >> >> But I thought the topic here was the *Jaws* pronouncing dictionary! > > I'm > >> >> confused. > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:52 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Is there a way to combine foreign dictionaries with the MS Word > >> >> > dictionary? > >> >> > For example if that were the case when reading M. in the French part > > of > >> >> > the > >> >> > dictionary you would have your Mosieur and in the English part you > >> >> > could > >> >> > have your peanut butter and jam. Just thinking, Judith > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:27 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> To be serious for a moment, I guess either the synth or your screen > >> >> >> reader > >> >> >> ought to employ a heuristic for parsing such things and making an > >> >> >> educated > >> >> >> contextual guess that the grammar, good or bad, doesn't suggest > >> >> >> that > >> > this > >> >> >> could possibly mean inches. Just thinking. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:21 PM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It's worse if you have DecTalk combined with people with bad > >> >> >> > grammar. > >> >> > Any > >> >> >> > sentence ending in "in", DecTalk wants to say inch. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Bruce > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > Bruce Toews > >> >> >> > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: water_drinker@xxxxxxxx > >> >> >> > Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): > >> >> >> > http://www.ogts.net > >> >> >> > For information on my weekly radio show visit > >> >> >> > http://radioclassics.ogts.net > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jack Lowe wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> LOL! Daniel, you can run into the same headache with using St > >> > period. > >> >> >> >> You > >> >> >> >> have to choose between Street, or saint. It's just that Street > >> > Peter > >> >> >> >> just > >> >> >> >> doesn't sound right. Ya ya know? LOL. Jack > >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> >> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:04 PM > >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> I agree, Judith. I've learned the same lesson experimenting > > with > >> >> >> >>> less > >> >> >> >>> exotic examples, such as modifying the dictionary to have Jaws > > say > >> >> >> >>> "drive" > >> >> >> >>> when it sees the "Dr." abbreviation in an address. Of > > course,it's > >> >> > only > >> >> >> >>> I > >> >> >> >>> who knows when the context is a street address, with the result > >> > that > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >>> dictionary began also referring to everyone with a doctoral > > degree > >> > in > >> >> >> >>> any > >> >> >> >>> field as "Drive." So, for a brief, silly period, everyone from > > my > >> >> >> >>> primary > >> >> >> >>> care physician to academics and scientists quoted in New York > >> >> >> >>> Times > >> >> >> >>> articles > >> >> >> >>> acquired the Christian name Drive. that was a bit weird. As > > the > >> >> >> >>> only > >> >> >> >>> alternative would be to allow the famous street lined with > >> >> >> >>> extravagant > >> >> >> >>> boutiques in downtown Beverly Hills to be renamed Rodeo > >> >> >> >>> Doctor-- > >> >> > though > >> >> >> >>> I > >> >> >> >>> suppose, among bull riders and bronc busters there really exist > >> > such > >> >> >> >>> a > >> >> >> >>> professional-- I gave it up. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> So now I tolerate good old dee are period and learn to like it. > >> > It's > >> >> >> >>> not > >> >> >> >>> all that painful. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> >>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:49 PM > >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>>> Of course you are right. I was just pointing out that with > > that > >> >> >> >>>> adaptation > >> >> >> >>>> to the dictionary the sentence, "I was eating a sandwich of > >> >> >> >>>> peatut > >> >> >> >>>> butter > >> >> >> >>>> and jam." would sound very strange. I do a lot of writing > >> >> >> >>>> with > >> >> > foreign > >> >> >> >>>> words and names but adapting the dictionary to everything I > > need > >> >> >> >>>> jaws > >> >> >> >>>> to > >> >> >> >>>> say > >> >> >> >>>> when coming acrosss certain letters or letter combinations > > would > >> > be > >> >> >> >>>> intollerable. Judith > >> >> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> >>>> From: "KStarrett" <kstarrett5@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:37 PM > >> >> >> >>>> Subject: RE: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Hi Judith, > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> You said, > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> When writing m.123 it already says m. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Which is true. But if you redefine M. to say monsieur, then > > you > >> >> >> >>>>> type > >> >> >> >>>>> M.123 > >> >> >> >>>>> jaws will say monsieur 123. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> See the problem? > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> And modifying your example, what would happen in a sentence > > such > >> >> >> >>>>> as: > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> At the M.L.A. convention M. de Gaul ate a sandwich of > >> > peanutbutter > >> >> > and > >> >> >> >>>> jam. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Kimberly Judith > >> >> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> >>>>>> From: <kstarrett5@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:46 PM > >> >> >> >>>>>> Subject: Modifying the dictionary > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, > >> >> >> >>>>>>> I am trying to modify the jaws default dictionary to do the > >> >> >> >>>>>>> following: > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> When jaws encounters the letter M followed by a period then > > a > >> >> >> >>>>>> space I want > >> >> >> >>>>>> it to say "monsieur" as in monsieur de Gaul. > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> When jaws encounters the letter M followed by a period and > >> >> >> >>>>>> another letter > >> >> >> >>>>>> (like M.L.A.) I want it to say M. > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Is this possible? > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Kimberly Starrett > >> >> >> >>>>>>> "Sharing an office is like being in a Beckett play...after > >> >> >> >>>>>> everything has > >> >> >> >>>>>> been said you still must go on talking." > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Edmund White, in "The Farewell Symphony". > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > >> >> >> >>>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the > >> > subject > >> >> >> >>>>>> line. > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from > >> >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>> list, > >> >> >> >>>> or > >> >> >> >>>>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. > >> >> >> >>>>>> Rather contact > >> >> >> >>>>>> the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > >> >> >> >>>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the > >> > subject > >> >> >> >>>>>> line. > >> >> >> >>>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from > > the > >> >> >> >>>>>> list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to > > the > >> >> >> >>>>>> list. 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