Adam, Here is a copy of a message I posted to another list on this topic; you might find it interesting. A recent message in Top Tech Tidbits included a very interesting email exchange on this topic, and below is a cut and paste from that exchange, posted by Ellen Mosner at Microsoft replying on behalf of Madelyn Bryant McIntire. "Microsoft is aware of the lack of accessibility of the recently acquired GIANT anti-spyware product. The Microsoft product group that is now working on GIANT is aware of its accessibility issues, and has been working closely with the Accessible Technology group on developing a plan to make the product accessible. The current release from Microsoft of GIANT is only a beta release and we intend to fully address the issues by the time the product ships in its final form. Even though the product was a shipping product at the time we acquired it, we decided to remove it from the "shipping" status and make it a beta because of the accessibility problems associated with the product. Microsoft remains fully committed to the accessibility of our products." To get the full thing, send a blank email to giant-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to Top Tech Tidbits, send a blank message to tttt-join@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and reply to the confirmatory message. Note there are four Ts at the start of that email address. --- Steve Griffiths, IT Trainer, Access Technology Support Unit Royal National Institute of the Blind 105 Judd Street London WC1H 9NE Tel: 020 7391 2232 Email: steve.griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx Fax: 020 7383 2034 -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam Daou Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:39 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta1 Hi all, Just got an email complaining about the "the best antispyware utility created... Beta release not accessible to users of screen readers" This version works only in Windows 2000 and XP. I put it to the test with Jaws 5.1 and 6 in XP, and it's true, there's no way to use it with Jaws. In other words, you can locate the Microsoft AntiSpyware icon on the Desktop or the Start Menu item if you want, open it normally, but there's no way to go any further. You can play with Jaws cursors all day long, and there's nothing you can do to access the Run button. So, it seems, according to the email received, that this Beta version was designed for sighted customers, not people using screen readers. Honestly, I think that Alpha or Beta testing must include all computer users, whether they are sighted or not. If you need a copy of the email in question, please feel free to contact me off list. If you need to download the Beta version for whatever reason, just go to microsoft.com, locate the downloads link, and download the Beta1. Adam -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RNIB. RNIB Registered Charity Number: 226227 Website: http://www.rnib.org.uk -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx