Re: Making Avast More Accessible
- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:21:43 -0700
Hello,
Alas, I am not a web developer... Your description is by and large correct.
ReCAPTCHA provides the web developer with some code to enter into the forms
on their web sites where CAPTCHA is to be required.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Darryl,
I'm trying to imagine how this works if a Web site sets themselves up with
recaptcha.,net. You fill out a form, then you get to the bottom of the form
and an instruction tells you to click on a link that takes you to
recaptcha.net .net, where there's a visual captcha plus an audio captcha
somehow connected to the page you've been on. You are given a captcha to
respond to, either visually or in audio, and after you enter the numbers or
characters in the edit field, you press Enter on some button that takes you
back to the site where you were and submits the form?
Or is it some sort of thing where recaptcha. net provides them with
something to install on their own site and add to their relevant pages? How
does it work?
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Hello,
Yes. At this stage, most of the time, I do just give them the URL to
ReCAPTCHA.net and ask them to consider using that service. Before this
service made their CAPTCHA accessible, there were many companies who simply
created their own, home grown, implementation of an audio CAPTCHA. This is
always an option for anyone, but my point is, why not make it accessible one
way or another, especially in light of the existence of ReCAPTCHA? The
excuses for there not to be at least audio playback have largely evaporated
nowadays.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Darryl,
I simply didn't gather from what I read on the recaptcha.net site that it's
a *service* that can be incorporated into someone's Web site in order to
provide both a visual and audio CAPTCHA. I guess I missed the part that
explained that. It seemed so focused on explaining this book-editing
project.
So let's say you've encountered a site where you'd like to register but,
after a long process of navigating and filling in a form, you arrive at a
final step where you have to get past a visual CAPTCHA in order to submit
the information. And let's say you want to write them and encourage them to
modify this so that a screen reader user can deal with it. Do you provide
them with the URL for recaptcha.net and urge them to contact those people
and ask to install something on their own site? Sort of like that?
Also, if some online sit sites, like Craig's List for instance, can finally
get it together and add an audio alternative to their visual CAPTCHA, where
do they get that to install? Is it likely that what they've done is learn
about this service and contact them for help, and their Web design people
have installed something they get from these guys? If not, where did Craig's
List get its audio thing?
Thanks.
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Hello,
ReCAPTCHA.net provides both a visual and audio CAPTCHA. It is now used by
such sites as Facebook and Twitter, among many others. The visual version
of the CAPTCHA does, indeed, provide aid in performing OCR on books.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Dennis,
How does recaptcha.net provide a solution to screen reader users being
blocked on Web sites that use visual captchas and provide no audio
alternative? I read the What is recaptcha?" page on that site, and it seems
to be about a way for an organization to get people to copy edit OCR scans
of books for some project,word by word.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Hello Chris and all,
Alas, there are some functions of their web site that are protected by an
inaccessible CAPTCHA. This makes the entire product a non-starter for me
until that gets resolved appropriately. I have just written a short note to
support@xxxxxxxxx asking for the use of ReCAPTCHA.net or a similar solution,
and I urge all of you out here to do likewise. CAPTCHA is a total brick
wall, but, thanks to solutions like ReCAPTCHA.net, it is easily addressed.
Regards,
Darrell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
Hi, I personally think Avast does a lot better than AVG in terms of
protection and fewer if not no false positives. It seems to detect more than
viruses; worms and other types of malware are also detected and thus more
threats can be removed. I've been using it for a couple of months now, and
I've even installed it on my other friend's machines and they like it too.
Hope that helps.
Why not join my Blind Hobbyist group? To join, send a blank message to
blind-hobbyist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks, Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Making Avast More Accessible
> how does this program compare to avg? does it perform as well and how long
> have you been using it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:46 PM
> Subject: Making Avast More Accessible
>
>
>> Hi all, please accept my apologies for the duplicate posts, however I
>> feel that the more people that get the below instructions, the better. So
>> here we go.
>>
>> Hi all, do the following two things to make Avast more accessible.
>> Configuring Avast to not use the skins for the simple user interface:
>> 1. Start Avast.
>> 2. Wait for the memory test to be completed, then close the web page that
>> appears. You should now land on a dummy check box.
>> 3. Press the applications key to open a context menu, down arrow to
>> settings and press enter. The Programme Settings dialogue box appears,
>> with the categories tree gaining focus.
>> 4. Tab until you hear, "enable skins for simple user interface check box
>> checked". Press space to uncheck it.
>> 5. Tab to ok and press enter. You'll land back on the dummy check box.
>> 6. Close and restart Avast. You should now be able to tab through the
>> controls in this programme.
>> Configuring JAWS to read lists in Avast:
>> 1. Make sure that you're focused on the Avast Simple User Interface.
>> 2. Press JAWS key 6 to open Configuration Manager.
>> 3. Press enter to accept the New Configuration File dialogue box.
>> 4. Press alt s to open the set options menu, then press a. The advanced
>> Options dialogue box appears.
>> 5. Shift tab till you hear, "Rely on MSAA for List Views check box not
>> checked". Press space to check it.
>> 6. Press enter to activate the ok button.
>> 7. Either press control s to save your configuration file immediately, or
>> press alt F4, pressing enter to activate the yes button on the confirm
>> dialogue box.
>> By doing these steps, you'll resolve an issue on some machines whereby
>> JAWS stops speaking when focused on any of the lists in Avast.
>>
>> Why not join my Blind Hobbyist group? To join, send a blank message to
>> blind-hobbyist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks, Chris
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