RE: Legacy Support for Internet Explorer: what does it do?
- From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:06:50 -0800
Jaws should not change how it looks on screen.
Jaws is reading this information from the html dom and msaa it should not
change it on screen what so ever. Yes the virtual view does change how you
see it but it should not for them. If it is then fs has some explaining to
do.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:11 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Legacy Support for Internet Explorer: what does it do?
Jim,
Given the fact that, for instance, a Jaws version of, let's say, a New York
times page with an article has its global navigational links to various
other sections and services left aligned and occupying many screens before
you get to the beginning of the article, whereas in the real version of the
page the links are disabled across the top and/or down either side in a
pattern entirely different from that, I would beg to disagree. Sighted
friends are startled to see how unlike the Jaws virtual view of a Web page
is from the way it was designed.
(My own usual strategy with things like this is to click on the Print
version of an article in order to cut the navigational links and other
disruptions down almost to zero, so that all I'm navigating, practically, is
the text of the article plus usually a link to the terms of Privacy or
something like that. Again, Jaws completely disrupts the design of a web
page. I understand that Window Eyes leaves it looking normal, but this
isn't important to me as I'm just concerned with getting around a page with
Jaws, not with getting a sense of its real layout. but the real layout is
one thing, and the version of the page that the virtual Buffer displays when
Jaws is running is very different, a primitive affair of a long row of links
down the left margin followed by other screen elements just sort of stacked
up any way that will preserve tab order for Jaws, and then page content
beginning at some point. Not the same.
I hope this is more clear.
Thanks.
the entnaviumer----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: Legacy Support for Internet Explorer: what does it do?
JAWS DOES NOT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE WAY THE WEB PAGE LOOKS. ALL JAWS DOES
IS PROVIDES YOU THE BLIND USER WITH ACCESS TO THE WEB PAGE IN AN ORDERLY
MANOR WITCH MAKES SCENCE TO A SPEECH USER. HTH
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:12 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Legacy Support for Internet Explorer: what does it do?
Hi Chris,
thanks for the response. From the way you mention scrolling, and other
things you say, I gather that this all had to do with the ability of sighted
people to use the computer while Jaws is running. It sounds like that,
anyway. Thing is, when my sighted friends have used my computer to go
online to see something on the Web, I just always remind them to exit Jaws
with Insert F4, which they all know to do now, so I never worried about
that. The fact that, as I understand it, Jaws rearranges every Web page you
visit with it turned on, that's something I don't care to impose on sighted
friends anyway. they want to see the Web page as it's supposed to look. So
maybe the whole legacy matter is simply not an issue, as we used to say, for
me. Am I understanding this correctly?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Legacy Support for Internet Explorer: what does it do?
The way Jaws for Windows interacts with a webpage changed in 7.1. I'm not
sure what the changes were exactly. But I know with the new way Jaws for
Windows interacts with the webpage the webpage does not scroll down until
you get to the bottom of the webpage and it needs to scroll. On the other
hand with Jaws for Windows 7.0 and earlier the webpage scrolled when it
should not scroll which made it difficult for a sighted person to see what
the computer is saying. In my opinion they left the legacy support in
version 7.1 until they could get the bugs worked out to their satisfaction
in version 8. I guess in their opinion they believe legacy support is no
longer necessary.
I hope this helps.
Chris.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:43 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Legacy Support for Internet Explorer: what does it do?
I understand from recent posts that a feature with this name must've been
introduced in Jaws 7.1 (it doesn't appear among the Configuration manager's
HTML/Misc. options on my Jaws 7) and has disappeared in Version 8. What did
it do? More aspecifically, what sort of problem did it solve? Personally,
I don't have any Web navigation issues to complain of at the moment, so
maybe that's part of why I'm perplexed. Can anyone explain what the story
is with this legacy support deal?
Thanks.
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