Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating

Thanks Yardbird!
So, what is the meaning, and what is being passed through?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


It's Insert 3.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryll" <cheryll@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


What is the pass through command?
Thanks in advance,
C

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Your most welcome.  I don't use pass through much, but every
screenreader I've worked with (three in 21 years) has had something like
it.  My first program was function-key intensive, so it used F10 as a
pass through--tap F10 twice, and the next function-key stroke passed to
the application.  (anybody else remember VOS? That program was way ahead
of the curve for the mid 1980's--and it was written by a native
Kentuckian to boot.)

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Ted,

P.S. I'm really glad you thought of this. it works great for my
purposes.Don't have to search too far from the left end of the num row
to
find the 3, which would be a deterrent if it were many keys farther to
the
right-- for instance, to open Configuration manager, I'm more likely to
press Insert F2, arrow down once and hit Enter than I am to press Insert
and
count with my left fingertip up to the number six-- and it doesn't have
to
be toggled off once it's done its job. A simple solution and a fine one.

Whew. What a relief.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Ted,

Thanks for reminding me of this option. I may use it now and then. I
guess
it's a tossup between lunging for the Control key to shut Jaws up and
stop
it moving, and using the pass-through key. But when I'm working on
something
and trying to maintain my concentration, Jaws running away with my
cursor
and jabbering can be so stressful that it's worth trying anything.

So, thanks. I know the pass-through key idea may sound obvious, but I
hadn't
thought of it at all.

Daniel

(who is obviously no rocket surgeon)
curosr ro the ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)"
<Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


There's a simple workaround.  When you want to go to the top of a
paragraph, or move to the next paragraph without hearing anything, use
the pass-through key first.  That way JFW will treat the next command as
a pure Windows command.  I tried this approach before posting, and it
seems to work.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Hi Chris,

I'm sorry, but this distinction is not a problem. Maybe you
misunderstood
what I was saying. When I referred to "say all," what I was trying to
describe was just any situation in which Jaws starts reading
automatically.
You see? My point wasn't whether that command made Jaws try to read all
the
way to the end of a document, or just to the end of a paragraph. My
point
was that I wished Jaws wouldn't start speaking at all when I went to the

start of a paragraph just to get to the start of a paragraph and do
something there. See?

thank you very much.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Hello.

The keystroke that you are speaking of is not the say all command.  This
keystroke places you at the top of the paragraph and only reads to the
bottom of the paragraph.  It does not read to the bottom of the
document.

I hope this helps.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:20 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating

Jerry,

You're describing this key stroke as if it's Jaws proprietary, but I
feel as
if I remember it in my pre-Jaws days as simply being the Word keyboard
command for going to the beginning of the paragraph and staying there.

Now, these other commands you mention, are they the one-key navigational
commands that were added to Jaws for Word a version or so ago, meant to
work
sort of like the one-key navigational commands on a Web page? I've never
tried any of those in Word, though if I read you correctly, it'd be the
same
thing. My cursor would go to that point, but Jaws would just start
reading
again like some sort of unstoppable robot.

Well, let me try these letter P keystrokes...
Okay. I used the Insert V menu to turn on the navigational keystrokes. I
see. By "redundant," you mean equivalent in this case, as I thought. As
you
know, that has the very same effect. So I guess there's nothing for it
but
to do as I've been doing all along, as Judith reminds us. Use the
keystroke
to get where you want to, but hit Control as quickly as you can to stop
jaws
from taking off on its own. Sort of like a video game, except that,for
us,
you're talking about hand-ear coordination instead of hand-eye
coordination.

Ah, my days of pinball championships at the bars and the amusement park
arcades. Well, that's milk under the bridge or whatever. Brain science,
rocket surgery.

Darn. Oh, well, at least I asked.
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


That keystroke is move by paragraph and after  you do it, it reads the
paragraph. The redundancy for this is P or shift P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Hi,

I'm using Jaws 8, but this has been happening to me for long enough so
that
I forget when it started. Now, I'm a great fan of Say All, and use it
often
in order to sit back and listen to long sections of a text document or
an
online news article. but when I'm writing and editing in a Word
document,
the control home key command, which is just the old Word keystroke for
going
to the beginning of the previous paragraph or the paragraph you're in,
Jaws
seems to take it as a Say All command instructing it to begin speaking
from
the top of the paragraph instead of going by sentence, which is how I've
got
Say All set in Configuration Manager. But jaws shouldn't be doing
anything
like this. It should just allow me to focus on the first word of the
paragraph, which is all the Word key combination is supposed to achieve.

And so if I want to begin reviewing or editing at that point, I have to
do
something like immediately press something relevant to the situation
like
control right arrow to start moving one word at a time from the start of
the
paragraph in order to keep this from happening. And if I'm not quick
enough,
Jaws just rushes ahead past where I wanted to be located, and I have to
stop
the headlong rush of the cursor and the speaking by hitting the Control
key
or whatever, then try again to get to the top of the paragraph without
Jaws
rushing ahead reading again.

I looked in the Text Processing menu in Configuration Manager and in the
Say
All menu, too, but could find nothing that seemed relevant to this
issue. Am
I missing something? I hate having to do this crazy little wrestling
match
with Jaws.

thanks.

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